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To: BlueDragon
Cardinals, never got the memo that the canon had been closed prior to Trent. Which seriously weakens the argument you bring --- or shows that a great many Cardinals were themselves haphazardly instructed. Luther was not alone in questioning or rejecting certain books, and his views (like early church leaders) were part of a process of development, and had the support of scholarly principles , and that of substantial Catholic scholarship from antiquity and right into Trent over the certain books, especially those of the apocrypha. (Hubert Jedin, Papal Legate At The Council Of Trent: St Louis: B. Herder Book Co., 1947; pp. 278, 281-282. More )

Which is hardly tenable. Cardinal Cajetan himself was actually an adversary of Luther, and who was sent by the Pope in 1545 to Trent as a papal theologian, had reservations about the apocrypha as well as certain N.T. books based upon questionable apostolic authorship.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states, "It has been significantly said of Cajetan that his positive teaching was regarded as a guide for others and his silence as an implicit censure. His rectitude, candour, and moderation were praised even by his enemies. Always obedient, and submitting his works to ecclesiastical authority, he presented a striking contrast to the leaders of heresy and revolt, whom he strove to save from their folly." And that "It was the common opinion of his contemporaries that had he lived, he would have succeeded Clement VII on the papal throne.” — Catholic Encyclopedia>Tommaso de Vio Gaetani Cajetan

227 posted on 04/05/2013 7:35:25 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Thank you for such as you have brought in the last few reply/contributions here. One would think it enough to motivate others here to modify their own oft repeated, groundless comments.

Some of the better informed among them keep bringing attitudes there is no excuse for. The distortions of the record infuriate me.

When the apologetics of Rome get it so wrong on this same which they claim to own, which is scripture itself, and more particularly those portions that have transpired within their own walls as it were (their own reactions and dealings towards scripture) which they incontestably DO own...it doesn't lend much confidence towards much of the rest of the oft repeated self/church reverential claims (which themselves don't much stand under closer critical examinations, as often than not).

What a mess. The bed has lumps, but such is denied while they run around sitting here and there trying to squash the lumps down... and the rug has more lumps (many things being constantly swept under it).

They keep confirming my worst suspicions...

231 posted on 04/05/2013 9:50:29 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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