Sorry to learn of your mom’s illness. May she enjoy a speedy and complete recovery.
Thank you for all the interesting material you’ve referenced. Be assured that I will pursue that material avidly. Although interesting, I do not wish a conversation with Dr John Rao, or Donald P. Goodman. It is you, as much as they, who has portrayed our founders as evil and depraved, and I would appreciate it if you would accept responsibility for your advocacy by explaining, specifically, what egregious wickedness they have committed, in what manner have they given offense, and how you propose they should have gone about their task alternatively (with respect to this last, I’ve gone into some detail in earlier posts).
I understand that you are burdened with a great deal of work, so I understand if a delay in your response becomes somewhat protracted. I also understand that you are under no obligation to respond in any event.
Thanks ,dear friend. Doctors have given her a short time but my mother has defied the odds since she was young. She exudes the light of Christ and heals others with that love though all of her pain
It is you, as much as they, who has portrayed our founders as evil and depraved
It was many founders of this country who promoted the error of Calvin that man is depraved . I never said all the founders were evil, some may have been ignorant of this error since many were influenced by it throughout their lives .
Let me set the record straight, the error of Calvin's teaching on depravity is evil.Man is injured due to sin as historical authentic Christianity has always believed. Man is not totally depraved
Alexander Hamilton and others promoted the error of depravity , like it or not
Some examples..
Alexander Hamilton
"And making the proper deductions for the ordinary depravity of human nature, the number must be still smaller of those who unite the requisite integrity with the requisite knowledge. -FEDERALIST No. 78
"But though we may find in these causes a solution of the fact calculated to abate our solicitude for the consequences; yet we can not consider the public happiness as out of the reach of danger so long as our principles continue to be exposed to the debauching influence of admiration for an example which, it will not be too strong to say, presents the caricature of human depravity--Alexander Hamilton on the French Revolution [Philadelphia, 1794]
From George Washington..
"[F]ew men are capable of making a continual sacrifice of all views of private interest, or advantage, to the common good. It is vain to exclaim against the depravity of human nature on this account; the fact is so, the experience of every age and nation has proved it and we must in a great measure, change the constitution of man, before we can make it otherwise. No institution, not built on the presumptive truth of these maxims can succeed." -George Washington -To THE COMMITTEE OF CONGRESS WITH THE ARMY [Head Quarters, January 29, 1778
"Good God! who besides a tory could have foreseen, or a Briton predicted them! were these people wiser than others, or did they judge of us from the corruption, and depravity of their own hearts?-George Washington To HENRY KNOX, December 26, 1786.
From Patrick Henry
"The Northern States will never assent to regulations promotive of southern aggrandizement. Notwithstanding what gentlemen say of the probable virtue of our representatives, I dread the depravity of human nature.-Patrick Henry, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution [Elliot's Debates, Volume 3] Thursday, June 12, 1788
Ratifiers of the Constitution
"We ought to consider the depravity of human nature, the predominant thirst of power which is in the breast of every one, the temptations our rulers may have, and the unlimited confidence placed in them by this system. These are the foundation of my fears, They would be so long in the general government that they would forget the grievances of the people of the states. But it is said we shall be ruined if separated from the other states, which will be the case if we do not adopt."-Ratifier of the Constitution, Wm. Lenoir. The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution [Elliot's Debates, Volume 4]DEBATES IN THE CONVENTION OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, ON THE ADOPTION OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.
I would appreciate it if you would accept responsibility for your advocacy by explaining
Why? You're going to get the same information that DR Rao, Fulton Sheen, Pope Leo XXI and others have known and explained in detail.
My suggestion to you is read the early Church fathers on man's condition after Adam's sin. It's not in line with Calvin. Blessed Augustine wrote some error regarding this but retracted them and submitted to the historical teaching of the Church.
It's easy to see why our country is failing when morals were not defined enough and the idea of man is depraved leading the powerful during the founding of this country to think their prosperity was grace from God even when some were involved in things like slave trade for example.