Thus you eliminate the majority of miracles, those of healing and deliverance, and intervention, and while the failure of the apostles to do all the same "true miracles" the Lord did (feeding thousands, raising a man in the grave for 4 days, etc.) must mean miracles ceased in that age.
Likewise in Acts we a decreasing record of such, but which is not to be mistaken to mean they ceased]] Really? Acts 5:16 Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by impure spirits, and all of them were healed.
Yes, really, as Acts has 28 chapters, and the record decreases, and according to you, healing is not a "true miracle," so even this does not prove miracles were being done.
But when UI read God’s word and See that Jesus restored a Centurion’s ear in an instant...Let’s start with somethign small- a missing toe beign replaced at a healing meeting with nothign but a preacher saying “Take off your shoe and sock and witness your new toe”
And no where do we see this after the resurrection of Christ either. Or walking on water, turning water into wine, casting demons into pigs, calming a storm, etc, while others can be explained away by committed souls, and today there are testimonies of supernatural judgment, etc.
[[You only see what you want to see, and dismiss or explain away what you do not.]] Sigh- So show me the TRUE SUPERNATURAL Miracles which violate natural laws and which can NOT be explained naturally or in any way except for beign supernaturally achieved- The claim was that miracles did not cease I stated that TRUE SUPERNATURAL MIRACLES Which violate nature have infact ceased- peopel like yourself jumped all over me for makign that statement-
What you said was "The age or TRUE miracles is over" and you unScripturally defined TRUE miracles as "supernaturally restoring life at a command, restorign limbs, eyesight etc- these type miracles," thus contradicting the Holy Spirit in which the majority of miracles of a class (healing, deliverance, etc.) you reject as being "true miracles,"
I asked for proof that htey still occure today- and have yet to see anyoen here provide such proof- ALL I’ve seen presented are cases which ‘COULD BE EXPLAINED’ via natural means- AGAIN- the TRUE SUPERNATURAL MIRACLES of biblical times could NOT be explaiend that way
They are indeed explained away today, as even the most overt miracle can be "explained" away by skeptics as mass hypnosis, coincidence, etc. but as you dismiss all claims of miraculous healing today.
TRUE miracles are not happenign today [but will again one day])
I am tired of your unScriptural idea that miracles wouls cease, and of your unScriptural definition of a miracle, which explains away most of what Scripture calls miracles, while imagining skeptics cannot explain away what few miracles you allow to be miracles. The glad and gracious reality is that God is still doing miracles, whether you believe them or not.
Here is a testimony of a miracle you may find a way to dismiss (yet note that the healings the Bible calls miracles were not documented by xrays, etc), that of "more than half of my baby’s brain was missing.”
“I was expecting my fourth child. That day, I had gone to have an ultrasound, because at eight months, the baby still was not moving around, and seemed unusually small. However, I did not really suspect that anything serious was wrong with the baby. You can imagine the feeling I had when they looked worried and wanted to do a second ultrasound. At the end of the second ultrasound, the doctor took a deep breath and started struggling for words. Finally he said, ‘Well, your baby has eyes, a nose and a mouth…’
“The doctor explained it to me as kindly as he could, saying, “I’m so sorry, Gary. Your baby has had an intrauterine stroke. The entire left hemisphere of her brain is gone. All that is left is a large cyst filled with fluid and some stray bits of tissue. She will probably die at birth. If she lives, she will be severely retarded and paralyzed on one side of her body...“Although I did not believe in abortion, I was a medical doctor. I knew that the personal consequences of bringing such a damaged child into the world would be intense...
“Marie and I began an intense search for God’s plan to save our daughter’s life. We read the Bible day and night. We read books and listened to audio tapes about healing, trying to learn whatever we could. One teacher in particular talked about speaking Bible verses into bad situations....
“We pulled ourselves together and determined to stand on God’s word and not be afraid. We determined that if we had to stand for 6 trillion years and tell the devil that our baby was healed, then that’s what we would do...” ~
Gary and Marie met in the hallway of their home. Marie describes what happened next: “After a few words, Gary laid his hand on my tummy and prayed and at first, nothing happened. Gary refused to accept this disappointment and tried to pray again, and still nothing happened. Finally on the third time, he laid his other hand on top of my head, and this time, a surge of power came out of his hands and went into the baby and me.”
Gary said, “As soon as I put my hand on Marie’s head, I felt a surge of pure love that physically knocked me to the ground on my knees, overwhelmingly aware of God’s awesome holiness. I spoke to God and said, ‘Lord, You are so infinitely and absolutely pure. I am not worthy of your presence.’ I forgot about everything except this awesome presence for a long time...”
“Complete testing was performed both at the time of her birth and some months later. The testing showed no disability of any kind.” Photographs on page x show a picture of Carolyn at birth and as a young, healthy child." Here is another,
When Roy Davidson was only 31, his doctor told him he had the worst case of multiple bleeding ulcers he’d ever seen. After a specialist’s examination, it was clear that surgery was not an option. The ulcers were so severe that removing them would cause extensive damage. And there would always be scar tissue even if medicine could heal the ulcers...
“I remember lying there and these guys walked in to pray for me. ‘God, I’m just going to listen to this to see if there is anything to it.’ And the guy walks in the room with an empty bottle of Mazola oil. I thought, ‘Oh, good grief! This is the crowning insult. They’re going to anoint me with cooking oil!’”
The pastor applied a touch of oil to Roy’s forehead. That single action was a turning point in his life.
“The whole room started spinning, I started getting real dizzy, and I couldn’t see a thing,” he says. “I could hear them. They were all praying in tongues. Then all of a sudden I saw myself way up in the corner of the room. I’m looking down and I’m lying on an Army cot. It was like they call those ‘out-of-body experiences. ’
Roy woke up hours later and realized the pain was gone.
“My stomach, it felt funny but it didn’t hurt. I noticed I didn’t have any bleeding that day and I wasn’t having any pain, really. It was kind of gone,” he remarks.
Roy’s specialist took another look at Roy’s stomach and confirmed that the multiple bleeding ulcers were gone.
“I was quite surprised to find there was nothing there,” says Dr. John Eckrich. “I mean, it basically looked normal. What I thought was strange and still do, I really didn’t even find some of the scar tissue which had previously been there.”
All to the glory of God, but of course, these cannot be allowed to be a miracle by some who rob Him of glory by unScriptural doctrines.
bflr
Yuo know what? I’ts obvious you are not goign to provide evidence of true supernatural miracles which violate natural law such as restoration ofl ost limbs, lost organs etc- and until you can do so, I stand by my claim- If you want to keep putting words in my mouthj- speakign for me, avoiding he plea- skirtting hte plea- then whatever- When you have evidence that healers are restorign lostl imbs and organs and digits etc- or raisign hte dead, or walkign on water or able to control the weather with a command- please let me know- Until then I’m content knowing God can and does use natural means to heal peopel today, but that the age of aupernatural miracles which violate natural law is over because there is no evidence of the actual supernatural miracles I have repeatedly asked for beign presented here- If you think this makes me a poor soul to be pitied and prayed for, then whatever- Yuo still haven’t provided what I’ve asked for- You’ve only presented cases that are NOT beyond the realm of possibilitty for havign happened via natural means and don’t even come close to beign so beyon the realm of natural means that they MUST be called supernatural miracles which violate natural law- Show me htem issing digit beign spoken into existence by a healer and I’ll gladly cede to you that peopel who call themselves healers today are still able to do the signs and wonders and sueprnatural miracles that violate natural law that the prophets, Chrsit, and hte apostles did- If you’re not goign to provide that and simply keep tryign to brush the request aside by claiming it is ‘unscriptural definition of the supernatural miracles’ that hte apostles did- then there’s really no point in continuing thsi discussion- It’s obvious that so called healers of today are NOT capable doing the supernatural miracles that the apostles and prophets and Christ did- otherwise you coudl easily point me to medically verified cases all over the owrld of such supernatural miracles-
[[All to the glory of God, but of course, these cannot be allowed to be a miracle by some who rob Him of glory by unScriptural doctrines.]]
I’m robbign Him of glory because you refuse to provide what I’ve asked for? Wow! That’s soem twisted logic-