You are failing to see the implications of your argumenta. You are given miracles such as spinal cord regeneration and pseudoarthrosis but dismiss them as natural, yet raising souls from the dead is also explained away by skeptics today. Because souls believed Jesus miracles in His day, long before spontaneous regeneration, etc. was know, does not mean the skeptics of today cannot dismiss all of the miracles of Jesus, by rejecting the credibility, or explaining them away (mass hypnosis, natural healing ).
And which you do by implication with most of the Lord's miracles, by restricting "true miracles" to those which in your opinion cannot be explained away.
I’ve asked repetedly for evidence of TRUE SUPERNASTURAL Miraclesw which violate nature
And which again, eliminates most of the miracles of the Bible, while skeptics find ways to dismiss others.
[[calling all such liars or deceived souls.]] I did? Where?
Again, you fail to see the implications of your polemic. By dismissing the testimony of miracles then you are in essence calling them liars or deceived souls, as in your view these were not miracles.
[[refuse to allow any testimonies of the miraculous to be true,]] I’ve re3fused it? Really?
As just explained, and which extends to limiting miracles to a class which Scripture does not.
Your argument is that since you youself have not seen any miracles that fit your unScriptural definition of a "true miracle," then they do not exist.
The whole premsie of hte discussion started off by the claim that TRUE miracles haven’t ceased- I said TRUE SUPERNATURAL Miracles have ceased-
And which is an artificial unScriptural definition of a miracle. The Holy Spirit shows healings by Jesus as miracles but you exclude them, and skeptics dismiss the ones you qualify as real miracles.
pseudoarthrosis also can spontaniously heal naturally- Where are Delores’ medical records?
And where are the medical records of anyone healed in the Bible, which one can also dismiss as spontaneously healing. And then you ask where you have called those who give testimonies as lairs or deceived.
In other words- you’re NOT goign to provide exampels that peopel can witness where TRUE SUPERNATURAL MIRACLES occure? You’re just goign to ignore the plea and insult me? Why do I have to? Can you provide evidence that TRUER SUPERNATURAL Miracles which violate the laws of nature are occuring?
What am i gong to do?Why should i do more, since I provided a link to many, but which you evidently refuse to examine or blithely dismiss en toto, and I do not have the time to do more right now, and have made it obvious that you reject miracle todays by dismissing they type of miracles which the Bible calls miracles, while your extreme cessassionist view is not supported by Scripture.
[[and since in your isolated universe]] Are you a Christian? If so, Then why do you feel the need to be nasty when rersponding?
Again, this is the implication of your "i see nothing that fits my (not Scripture's) definition of a true miracles, therefore they do no exist" argument.
[[Yet there are multitudes today that have seen miracles in that leave no doubt in their mind,]] Really? They must all be rushign to Randi the great for the ten million dollar reward then because htey have irrefutable proof just like htey had in CHrist’s time...
That is what is "nasty," as you simply reject this since you are ignorant of any, while the the "irrefutable proof" does not exist for a committed skeptic, who also rejects the miracles of Jesus. "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. " (Luke 16:31)
More later when i get back.
[[as you simply reject this since you are ignorant of any, while the the “irrefutable proof” does not exist for a committed skeptic, who also rejects the miracles of Jesus.]]
Hmmmm- I’ve ‘committed to skepticism’ eh? I also reject that Jesus did miracles eh?
[[You are failing to see the implications of your argumenta.]]
I see it quite clearly- I also see everyone skirtting all aroudn my plea to provide examples of true supernatural miracles that violate natural law liek Christ and the Apostles and earlier prophets did-
[[You are given miracles such as spinal cord regeneration and pseudoarthrosis but dismiss them as natural,]]
Um- that is because they CAN occure naturally- Restoring limbs and organs and walkign on water etc can NOT happen naturally- Again I’ll ask for examples of true supernatural miracles that violate natural law and I’ll also ask you to provide the medical evidence that proved that fella was permanently paralyzed- He certainly never provded any such evidence, and ocne again we’re left to doubt- which was NOT the case in biblical times when true supernatural miracles that violate natural law were performed-
[[Because souls believed Jesus miracles in His day, long before spontaneous regeneration, etc. was know, does not mean the skeptics of today cannot dismiss all of the miracles of Jesus, by rejecting the credibility, or explaining them away]]
You seem to be goign a very long way out of your way avoiding my pleas for exampels of Because souls believed Jesus miracles in His day, long before spontaneous regeneration, etc. was know, does not mean the skeptics of today cannot dismiss all of the miracles of Jesus, by rejecting the credibility, or explaining them away
I’ll make it simpler- show me an example- just one example of a healer today restorign even a simple lost digit such as a finger- Show me the signs and wonders such as walkign on water- supernaturally beign transported long distances to witness to a person etc etc etc that occured as a result of early church special supernatural empowerment-
[[And which again, eliminates most of the miracles of the Bible, while skeptics find ways to dismiss others.]]
Pssst- you’re still skirtign my request-
[[Your argument is that since you youself have not seen any miracles that fit your unScriptural definition of a “true miracle,”]]
Now it’s an ‘unscriptural definition of miracles’? Can you point me to the scripture that says that? The bible said the apostles were endowed with supernatural power to perform signs and wodners, and the bible recounts how the apostles did great supernatural miracles which violated nature many many times- Yuo claim these miracles are still occurign today- I’ve asked you many times now to provide exampels- and still you don’t- Can you or can you not provide exampels of supernatural miracles that violate natural law? Can you or can you not provide exampels of peopel havign hteir missing limbs restored? Adn where are the signs and wodners beign doen by healrs today? Or are their signs nd wodners also watered down too?
[[What am i gong to do?Why should i do more, since I provided a link to many, but which you evidently refuse to examine or blithely dismiss en toto,]]
no you didn’t- I didn’t see or hear one single thing o nthat site that showed a healer restoring a missing limb or organ-