You are being worse than snide, as you simply refuse to believe any testimonies of any such today, however rare, while ignoring that the spiritual declension and degree of unbelief of the church - with your help and mine- limits God.
"And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. " (Mark 6:5)
Thus according to your theology Christ was weak, but which is a ignorant conclusion.
Christ’s miracles wer such that NOONE could question that a TRUE miracle had happened
They should not, and He exceeded all in power, yet miracles are not restricted to multiplying loaves, while if you have ever contended with atheists today you should know that they usually will not even allow as a possibility that miracles occur, as you contend now, or dismiss the credibility of all those who testify of them, as you do, or attribute natural causes to miracles, which you also must, and that extraordinary things can occur in nature, or would argue that the dead who were raised were not really dead, etc.
it’;s obvious He has ceased with these SUPERNATURAL TRUE miracles for the tiem being
What is obvious you are either ignorant or refuse to believe any testimonies of such. Again, here are many which you cannot (well, you can if you want) all dismiss as being consistent with the normal laws of nature. And if miracles do not occur then the new birth does not, and God took a sabbatical He never said He would take.
I cannot claim to have the gift of working miracles, (1Cor. 12:10,28,29) but years ago when i witnessing in the subway system, offering gospel tracts, i saw a thin man at the phone book who was obviously distressed. He had a page of newspaper in one hand and keep making phone calls and frantically writing numbers down on the side of it. So I walked over and offered him a gospel tract, but he declined and expressed he HAD to find a drug detox and went back to dialing numbers. I told him i wanted to pray for him, and he assented, and so i put my hand on his shoulder and humbly prayed to God in Jesus' name to have mercy on the man and deliver him.
When i finished, he calmly hung up the receiver and with a radical change in countenance he looked me in the eye and said, "I don't know what you did sir, but whatever you did it worked," and how different he felt. He left the phone and walked with me as i explained his real need (for salvation).
And as i found out that he had to wait till tomorrow to get in the only detox that he had found that would take him, i offered to let him stay where i was, being a guest myself, and on the train he was still in a state of wonder, repeating again,as he "i don't know what you did..." to which i again replied, "if anyone did anything it was God, not me," and how he needed to turn to Christ.
The man was very sincere, not your typical homeless man, and was still expressing bewilderment at the change that occurred in him. The man definitely was not delivered because of his faith! Back at the place i stay, we offered him food and he could not believe he could eat normally, or even keep food down, and we talked and witnessed to him. He slept fine on the couch and the next day was still normal, but he had been accepted at the detox and still wanted to go with the program, although I warned him that he did not need to, but i cannot give faith or force belief. And Jesus healed people who would not follow Him at that time.
I can add to this the many many testimonies of answered prayer for things which rationally cannot be all attributed to natural causes or coincidence, as well as trials of long continuance that try faith, teach character,or chastise.
[[You are being worse than snide, as you simply refuse to believe any testimonies of any such today, however rare, while ignoring that the spiritual declension and degree of unbelief of the church - with your help and mine- limits God.]]
Dabniel- I have two eyes- I have ears- I se and hear NOTHING abotu violations of natural law- Again I’ll ask you to provide exampels of violations of natural law which can NOT be confused with any other means of occuring-
[[Thus according to your theology Christ was weak, but which is a ignorant conclusion. ]]
now you’re just beign silly and claimign I’m sayign htigs i NEVER said Daniel- What is wrogn with you folks? You are taking my quesitons about supernatural miracles way too personally and being upset about it? I aksed you if Christ waqs weakeebd today because we oviosuly see no more violations of natural laws when it coems to htem iracles I’ve described- You claiemd all the gifts are stil lavailable ‘to a lesser degree’ and I’m sayign no- there is NO ‘lesser degree’ when it coems to supernatural violations of natural law- eityher soemthign or someoen is capable of violating natural law or they are not- Yuo claimed/implied peopel today still have Christ’s power but just ‘to a lesser degree’ If a hernai is capable of healign on it’s own spontaniously- then nothign supernatural has occured- it was fully natural- God may have facilitated a speady healing NATURALLY but when Christ and apostles did hteir miracles these miracles could ONLY have been SUPERNATURALLY
[[while if you have ever contended with atheists today you should know that they usually will not even allow as a possibility that miracles occur,]]
not to side with htem- but when you argue with them are you showign hte4m true violations of natural law? If not, why not? Because htey do not occure today- Yuo can only point to things that are ambiguous and Say “God did it” whereas peopel back in Christ’s day coudl point to the TRUE SUPERNATURAL Miracles and say- You see? This IS the Christ- He did that sueprnaturally- There waqs NO question about it
This argument started off by soem sayign miracles occure today- I asked for evbidnece that TRUE supernatural miracles are occurign today- and noone has provided any evidence of it- they only provide anecdotal occurances which ‘may or may not’ have been God workign THROUGH NATURAL MEANS- IF God were still doing His spuernatural miracles today- EVERYONE i nthe audience who was sick or missing parts would be able to be healed isntantaniously- peopel mising digestive tracts woudl have NEW digestive tracts which coudl be verified by medical professionals to verify that a TRUE miracle just occured- peoppel missing limbs woudl have them restored- on and on- an tyou not see why your atheist coutnerparts might question you when you only provide things that coudl have occured naturally? The miracles inChrist’s day left NO doubt to anyone- all had personaly witnessed TRUE SUPERNATURAL miracles that coudl not have possibly occured naturally
[[I can add to this the many many testimonies of answered prayer for things which rationally cannot be all attributed to natural causes or coincidence,]]
i’m sorry- but it CAN be natural causes- Christ’s miracles coudl NOT