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To: mdmathis6
Actually I already answered Editor-Surveyor’s objection to my statement,(having attempted a lame joke about God having really rested on what we call a Thursday) [...]

Yes, I saw that.

knowing that there were plenty of ancient astronomers who could observe and keep track of time very well.

I am no astronomer, but considering the tale written in the stars, it would not surprise me to find out that there has been a visible mechanism to determine the Sabbath day all the way along. It would be a cool thing to find out.

Ultimately, in the muddled times after the flood and before the rise of the first big Mesopotamian civilizations whether or not there were still a few tribes that kept rigid track of the days or times or whether there was a “misplacement” of a few days here or there...I don’t think anyone could truly argue for or against.

Sure I can argue against that notion: YHWH specifically gave the day of the Sabbath to Israel in the desert by way of the double-portion of manna that fell the day before the Sabbath, and in the fact that the manna did not spoil on the Sabbath day. Since then, the days have been kept by the Jews, and as I said, no correction was made by Yeshua (which would certainly have had to have been necessary for Him to keep the law perfectly). From the time of the second temple, the day has been kept most assuredly.

It could only be the order of Melchizidek that could keep the plumblines of time straight and true since the institutions of man would never be able to do so.

It is more than that. Arron most certainly is legally given authority from within Melchizedek. So too, every other covenant - They cannot be separate things, but more a 'box within a box'. Inside Melchizedek is the Noachide covenant. Inside of Noah, Moses, and etc... For YHWH to be unchanging, what He is and what He wants cannot have changed all the way along.

The reasons for the times and seasons is not a matter of salvation: They are prophetic, and that is why they are to be kept eternally. The Hebrew notion is not so much 'Holy Days' as it is 'rehearsals', or at least that is a part of it. I can say with all clarity, If you are not rehearsing, you won't be ready for the big show! The Sabbath Day, The High Sabbaths, the Jubilees, all of it is there for YHWH's purpose in bringing Man back to Him. It is written in the stars, it is written in the prophets, it is everywhere. How can it be that we, in our hubris, pay it no mind at all?

One can extrapolate I suppose since Christ was of the order of Melchizidek and since Christ was with the Father from the beginning, even, as the bible says in John, creating all things that ever existed, then one could argue that the order of Melchizidek was involved with the teaching and maintaining of the various ordinances right from the garden of Eden!

It isn't much of an extrapolation. No man has seen the Father. Yet YHWH walked with Adam, and with Abraham, and etc? How can this be? Who could this YHWH be, who no man has seen, but who is seen? There is only One who fits the bill, And He IS the High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek, whom we know (as it is declared with every ounce of might possible) that there is only ONE priest in the order of Melchizedek, for all time. I don't know how it works, or 'when' it happened, beyond the bonds of time, but I can tell you in the very bottom of my soul who it was that Abraham gave his tenth to, and who it was that gave the bread and the cup to Abraham (and every one of his offspring in his belly). There is only one name under heaven, after all.

Yet, we also have Christ, God in flesh yet also a man tested at all points as the Bible says, who being of the the priest hood after the order of Melchizdek who looked at the plotting jackals at the time and said...”The Sabbath was made for man...not man for the Sabbath”.

Of course! See above. That isn't to deny the Sabbath AT ALL. If your mother said she will be coming into the train station at 6pm on Sunday, do you wait till 3pm on Wednesday to go pick her up? How much more important are the times and seasons wherein YHWH says He will draw near to us?

Christ is not going to sweat it if a faithful follower of his worshipped on a Saturday or a Sunday. He will sweat it if in the process of keeping the Sabbath, the technicalities and the stress involved in hewing to those technicalities overcome the rest, the peace and joy that God wants us to experience during Sabbath...what ever day we keep it.

I dunno, man... I think you'd better read the Prophets sommore. They tell you how it is gonna end up, and that is remarkably similar to what has been laid down in Moses. Take off those Roman glasses, and clear the Greece from your eyes.
HA! I made a funny! 'Greece from your eyes'! LOL!!! I crack myself up!

When Christ ultimately rules on the Earth, it will only be a minor adjustment to make sure everyone stays on the same page. After all, he will rule with a rod of Iron those of the nations who were left after the Great Tribulation.

The 'rod of iron' stands for 'justice'... it is not coercive, as Christianity has it... But all the same, the prophets say there will be a great gnashing and wailing, so it would be best to be on the inside looking out - And according to the prophets, that looks a whole lot like Moses. Several of the prophets look into the millennial reign... Go see what that looks like.

153 posted on 03/11/2013 6:19:50 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Take off those Roman glasses, and clear the Greece from your eyes

LOL, just a heads up, I'm going to lift that one from ya! Thanks for the ‘funny’.

155 posted on 03/11/2013 7:25:21 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: roamer_1

Clean the Greece from my eyes...hah that was funny. Ruling with a rod of Iron is a coercive justice. There is no Justice without mercy to alloy it, but justice must be dispensed as necessary or there is no true justice. For a thousand years, Christ will rule on the Earth after that, Satan will be loosed to deceive the nations again..”for a little season”.

Hebrews 12 describes the curse of Mount Sinai where there is gloom and smoke and destruction for those who have not received the Salvation of Jesus Christ, for those who have...there are the Joys of Mount Zion. I have read the prophets and I read the covenant made between Noah and God symbolized by the placement of the rain bow in the sky. God certainly is steadfast about keeping his promises and certainly pronounces future judgments upon Satan and those men who are unrepentant! The Noachide teachers certainly depict God as being one of unyielding Marble who busily keep dusting and polishing his set in stone, unyielding ordinances and fixed pronouncements.

The Christ I believe in and know (at least only as much as he has given me faith to believe) is the God in Flesh who openly marveled (displaying his humanity) at the faith of the Centurian and gentile while in his authority as HOLY GOD granted the centurion’s request for healing of his servant.

Consider why God made ordinances and covenants? Were they not mostly for man’s benefit? God told men to be fruitful and multiply and that he would never again flood the Earth with water. God covenanted with Abraham and promised him a son, from whom’s descendants would arise the living Christ! God gave the Mosaic code that promised blessings for those who adhered to it and curses for those who did not. Yet men could not live by them and the prophets including Moses knew that they could not and knew that an even greater covenant, one that could be inscribed into men’s hearts of flesh instead of tablets of stone, was needed. You might think the Ark was the place where the Shekinah glory of God rested and you would be right. The ark was also a promise, not just of the coming Christ who lived among men, but also a promise of our individual regeneration where the Spirit Of God resides in each of us.

Even having a vast knowledge of all the laws of God, and even having the willingness to try to keep them isn’t enough to save us. If we never again broke another law of God, that would not save us. Jesus Christ is the only one that can save us, and only by the Spirit can we learn how to apply his laws correctly with an eye fixed towards faith hope and above all charity! And when we fail, he is willing to forgive us as we repent!

One can only begin to grasp the laws of God by understanding his two greatest laws....Loving him with everything we have within us to do so and then loving others as we love our selves.

The little secret that I think mechanistic teachers of the law forget is that when one endeavors, by the power of the Spirit, to live by the two greatest commandments...all the other laws we’re supposed to live by (and by what proportions and sequences of applications as guided by the Spirit with Charity and Wisdom) will naturally fall into place!


163 posted on 03/12/2013 1:49:29 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: roamer_1

clear the Greece out of your eyes...PLEASE!!! That is the most creative funny one liner that sums this whole mess up I have ever heard and I have been in this argument over 25 years. GOOD ONE!


169 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:49 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: roamer_1

clear the Greece out of your eyes...PLEASE!!! That is the most creative funny one liner that sums this whole mess up I have ever heard and I have been in this argument over 25 years. GOOD ONE!


170 posted on 03/12/2013 7:31:50 PM PDT by ladyL
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