Swiss Guards seal gates, leave service of Pope Emeritus

cna ^ | February 28, 2013

[Syncro]

It’s your faith that preaches that it’s doctrines can be found in scripture.

Seems like that is the way God set it up.

It's your faith the puts Catholic doctrine on a higher more holy level than the Bible.

And apparently teaches to discount the Holy Spirit and depend on "Church" teachings only as one Catholic here has stressed most emphatically.

Can a river rise higher than it’s own source?

If a lie is repeated over and over again will a great multitude believe it and indeed swallow the camel?

Now this really stuck out:

“I will say though that the Bible is more an authority on Christianity than the Catholic church.”

Can a river rise higher than it’s own source?

Again preaching that the Christianity has as it's source Catholism. Would that the source of inspiration for that org be Jesus instead of the seen the other way around.

[Syncro]

Jesus is the Rock

I'm aware of the existence of what you posted.

Except for the use of Asparagus, that's new to me. (makes me think you may be a teacher in some institution)

I realize that all of that has to be believed in order to substantiate the existence of the Catholic belief system and all it entails.

But it is such a stretch from old and new testaments teachings in context that I had to reject it for Biblical (not Bible only) Christianity years ago.

Peter was a great apostle and follower of Jesus but he is not the cornerstone of the church that Jesus brought into existence in the first century. His church is built upon Himself (the Rock of scriptures consistantly) not a man.

Lately I am being reminded of straining at a gnat and swallowing a Camel. Mission accomplished it seems to some degree with concepts such as you expressed above.

We will see what happens when the next Pope appears on the scene.

[NYer]

Jesus is the Rock

You are Cephas and on this Cephas, I will build my church. Are you claiming that Jesus pointed to himself and called himself Cephas?

But it is such a stretch from old and new testaments teachings in context that I had to reject it for Biblical (not Bible only) Christianity years ago.

You have excluded 'Bible only' .. so you accept Tradition?

[Professional Engineer]

Golly. I’m glad I’m not terribly curious about such a close minded group.

[OKSooner]

Thanks for the (polite, helpful) answer. :)

[Rome2000]

Because the Catholics started the church at the direction of Jesus under St. Peter 2100 years ago, and their traditions and rituals are designed to advance the Christian cause and fight satan and his demons.

The antics of the German heretic Luther and his buddy Henry the VIII 500 years ago have given us this:

Evil abounds in the "churches" that have broken from Rome.

[JCBreckenridge]

“It’s your faith the puts Catholic doctrine on a higher more holy level than the Bible.”

This is a common misunderstanding. The Catholic church teaches thusly:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a2.htm

paragraph 82

“As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with EQUAL sentiments of devotion and reverence.”

“Again preaching that the Christianity has as it’s source Catholism. Would that the source of inspiration for that org be Jesus instead of the seen the other way around.”

When did the first bible appear and when was it written?

[Syncro]

"It's your faith the puts Catholic doctrine on a higher more holy level than the Bible."

This is a common misunderstanding. The Catholic church teaches thusly:

"Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with EQUAL sentiments of devotion and reverence."

Tradition on the same level as God breathed God inspired Holy scripture? Not from God, but from the emanations of man.

Still, some Catholics say the Catholic traditions are more important to the Catholic than scripture [thus the "common misunderstanding"], you statement not withstanding.

"Again preaching that the Christianity has as it's source Catholicism. Would that the source of inspiration for that org be Jesus instead of the seen the other way around."

When did the first bible appear and when was it written?

It really doesn't matter, but it was written over centuries starting with Moses. [to continue debating who put the Bible together has been done many times here at FR, it's turned into beating a dead horse]

The important thing is that Christianity has it's source as Jesus, not Catholicism.

And certainly NOT Catholicism being the source of Christianity.

[Syncro]

Rock, Jesus, rock, Peter, Cephas, petra, petros, kepa, lithos etc.

There are different rocks, parts of rocks, pebbles, small rocks and big rocks.

Jesus/God is referred to as a/the Rock many times and it is EXCLUSIVE to Him as the main Rock of scripture.

Jesus has a way with words but sometimes they can be misuderstood.

There are numerous scriptures showing that God is THE ROCK, and it is God who is the Rock upon which Jesus built His church.

Isaiah 44:8 "Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Deuteronomy 32:4-- He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Deuteronomy 32:15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior.

There are many more.

Jesus was talking to Peter (who btw was already named that) and mentioned that, but the Rock on which He built his Church was The Rock, God. Jesus.

As far as Peter being a "Pope," there were no popes back then, so Peter was not seen as the "Pope."

[Cvengr]

Hey, that looks like a portrait of Martin Luther on the Papal Ring!