[daniel1212]

And those who don't believe in the Holy Trinity, and those who believe in salvation by election and those who believe in more than one baptism, or, etc.

Irrelevant, as universal or comprehensive unity is not what is being argued, as sola ecclesia does not produce this either.

That'd be hard since there's no such thing as the doctrine of "sola ecclesia" . :)

I see requiring a formal doctrine under that name, and which Catholic apologists have recognized as valid and defended it, as denying reality.

I think we have reached an impasse. I sincerely thank you for your courteous discussion. God bless...

And thanks for the civility also. 2Tim. 2:25

[D-fendr]

Irrelevant

I don't think who Christ is, soteriology, etc. are irrelevant. I don't Paul did either, so this view is unscriptural as well.

as universal or comprehensive unity is not what is being argued, as sola ecclesia does not produce this either.

This is what I've been arguing all along. So I guess we were talking past each other.

as sola ecclesia does not produce this either.

This is again where I think you are agreeing with my point that sola scriptura is unworkable in terms of resulting in teaching one Lord, one faith, one baptism. It seems to me you are saying: "no it doesn't, but it doesn't matter." Which is a different argument.

thanks again...