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To: daniel1212
the argument never was that SS will result in universal unity, nor that it results in comprehensive unity

That was my argument. That it does not, and cannot, result in unity of dogma and doctrine: one Lord, one Faith, one baptism. As one example, I cited sola scriptura Oneness Pentecostals.

Again, if you are conceding this point, I'm done on it. If not..

thanks for your reply.

396 posted on 03/15/2013 11:33:48 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; daniel1212
That it does not, and cannot, result in unity of dogma and doctrine: one Lord, one Faith, one baptism.

The fallacy is that there is unity in doctrine in Catholicism. There is not. A cursory look at the differences between the Roman rite and the EO show that. Not to mention that there are those who accuse Vatican 2 of corrupting the church and call for a return to pre-Vatican 2 doctrine.

And those are only two examples.

397 posted on 03/15/2013 12:32:11 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr
That was my argument. That it does not, and cannot, result in unity of dogma and doctrine: one Lord, one Faith, one baptism. As one example, I cited sola scriptura Oneness Pentecostals. Again, if you are conceding this point, I'm done on it. If not..

You need to face the reality that unity has different levels and scope, and under each model unity as to one faith one Lord, one Faith, one baptism has been realized, but not universally or as meaning a comprehensive theology.

RCs differ among themselves about deeper aspects of each, while the EOs disagree with Rome about the One Lord as some aspects, and as to what the One Faith all entails, and the practice of baptism, but in essence they can profess to agree with Rome (but who can also say they worship the same God as Muslims).

Then there are other sola ecclesia groups who, like Rome, use the premise of supreme incontestable authority to interpret all the evidence they need as supporting their church, but who radically differ with both Catholicism and historical Protestantism.

Then there are multitudes under the SS model who hold to a Trinitarian one Lord, and one Faith as salvation by faith, not earned, and one baptism as signifying that faith in that Lord, but who can differ about deeper aspects.

Thus what you need to concede is that sola ecclesia has not produced what it seems you demands SS to do, which i do not argue it did, while the issue is which means of unity is most Scriptural - assurance based upon the premise of perpetual assured infallibility, or Scriptural substantiation.

If you cannot concede this, then we might as well be done with this.

400 posted on 03/15/2013 3:37:24 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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