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I think sometimes you find what you wish to find in the manner you wish to find it.

I found what I did (and was shocked) not because I wanted to, but by sticking with the same basis of reasoning employed in the beginning to tie Bathesheba as "queen" since she be mother to the king, to the elevation of that position to the Heavenlies idea, following that line or pretext to the logical sets of questions/investigations/conclusions, doing so but having to somewhat set aside fuller context of who and what the eternal Creator is, for the jump from earth to Heaven was the wrong ladder, the wrong staircase from the onset.

Once that model was set, it had to be followed, for God never changes the rules once what He sets in motion begins to move, to adjust the outcome to suit conditions or whims, for from His perspective all is known, nothing "discovered along the way" as it is for you or I.

It could only be by my own choice if I was the one who had cooked up the initial reasonings in the first place. I didn't, nor would I have, for I have a some direct sense of who He is, and what He can be like. Usually patient, always direct, succinct but generous, attentive to all that is, all at once, and quite frightening when He's irritated.

Someday, if someone pushes that scripture again as justification for the "Queen of Heaven" business, I might take us all down that path of logic and considerations...but I must warn you, that just as daniel1212 showed plainly that death was the result for the individual the "queen sought intervention for", and as I pointed out, that death was otherwise "in the house" as the associated scriptures clearly indicate (not Bathsheba's fault perhaps, but connected with how she became queen in the first place) and the sin and type of excesses her son the king (that king also a unavoidably a part of the comparison) result in the ways of death...remain forever there, just_as_God_spoke and said it would be so. Some of it is not pretty to look at...for there is the "if this" then "that" must be sort of thing, while incorporating and continually testing with what can be known of Him as found in scripture, with the model continuing based on earthly mother/son relationship with all it's implications, continuing that same line throughout, following each set of questions. Not fun, I tell you. I think perhaps you have not thought the thing through yourself, or even begun to...perhaps what I mean by following the initial logic... isn't understood?

No special pleadings are allowed. If she be like that mother to that king, and if it all be proper exegesis in the first place, then it must be followed consistently to the end, or else set aside as not tenable, if it take those things holy and makes them something else. Yet where did we start, but in context of a relationship with sin going both directions...from how she got there, to all that followed.

We've been trying to tell ya'll it dont work. It's busted. defective from the factory.

When we set off on that sort of ill-concieved journey...should one expect a rainbow aura'd pony or unicorn to show up in the backyard, instead?

Do we think His word stops, becomes of none effect just because the earthly critters he spoke over have went the way of all flesh? Not a safe assumption, for His words ring forever.

He's like that, with He alone of all (compared to all of mankind, that is) always always always consistent.

Once the path is chosen, there being no variableness or shadow of turning in Him, all that may either serve His purpose or oppose the same movement, is either utilized or dealt with to the utterly utmost, with all unfolding perfectly according to His intent and plan. Thankfully for us, His intents are toward the good for us (He knows what's good for us) and His movements tempered by great mercy.

Holy is our God