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To: D-fendr

And with that...the Roman church makes the testimony of all the prophets of Israel into Roman Catholics, subject unto that personage, for what equates with the idea of "canon" in regards to OT, was set by the Jews themselves...with later arriving "churchmen" disagreeing among themselves for centuries over the Apochrypa. It's anything but the neat and tidy rhetorical apologetic which you present.

But it does seem like you have the circular reasoning thingy down pat, regardless of others best efforts to shed light on the inherent"circular" properties of the same.

Whenever it gets close to being accomplished...then criticisms are cast towards those that can be found to be error in regards to scripture plainly enough, that there be no need to consult the "Magisterium" to see it...served up as proof of the fuzzy infallibility's of Roman Catholicism.

Meanwhile, my own experience with the Lord, my own testimony is living refutation of the spirit by which much Romish claims had been presented historically, with the late to arrive clarifications found in Vatican II confessing that yes, salvation can be found outside the scope of their "authority" on the one hand, by extending by way of a legal fiction that same authority to the ends of the earth on the other.

That sort of thing is God's own province. Only He knows no boundaries, save for His very own, which only He himself knows perfectly.

Many too much mistake their own church for being God, but more typically not to quite the extent those of Romish persuasion appear to so often do, for such is at places enshrined in Roman church self-description, theological thought & overweening self-reverential presentation.

239 posted on 03/03/2013 10:47:05 AM PST by BlueDragon (If you want vision open your eyes and see you can carry the light with you wherever you go)
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To: BlueDragon
Thanks for your reply:

what equates with the idea of "canon" in regards to OT, was set by the Jews themselves...

Yes, there is a split between Judaism and Christianity about the time of the canons. The Church holds to hers, the Septuagint at the time of Christ, the Jews to theirs from then and later. Part of the reasoning is due to the split, if something was used by Christians, it was subject to being removed or changed later in Judaism. An example is the interpretation of "virgin" for Christians and "young woman" for Jews.

Many too much mistake their own church for being God

We don't see it as our "own" church but rather as the Church established by Christ; we are as His family, and also the body of Christ with Christ as the head, in communion with the Saints.

I realize you don't have this view or belief; just wanted to clarify.

That sort of thing is God's own province. Only He knows no boundaries, save for His very own, which only He himself knows perfectly.

I agree. Thanks for your reply.

242 posted on 03/03/2013 10:59:53 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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