Posted on 02/25/2013 10:47:31 AM PST by Gillibrand
The Archbishop of Lyon, Philippe Cardinal Barbarin visited the Grand Mosque of Lyon, and there prayed for the release of a seven-member French family who has been kidnapped in Cameroon and is held hostage. "Does Allah hear the prayers more than our Lord Jesus Christ?," asks the French website Riposte Catholique
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"Sharia Justice: 14-Year-old girl brutally raped and then charged with adultery was lashed to death"
“Why was it good for St. Patrick to go among the heathen?”
Why are you responding to that instead of responding to my post? Are you going to insist on confusing “going to sinners” with “praying with them,” the latter is the obvious sin?
Amen! Well said. I will never understand how a religion founded on human passions of fatalism, despotism and sensualism and founded by a man, though he considered himself to be divine , gave no proof of this by working miracles or by any sanctity in how he lived his life, is something to be venerated.
“poofters’’. LOL! Shades of Monty Python . “Meeting will come to order. Read the rules Bruce’’ “Thank you Bruce. Rule number one: “No poofters.’’
You apparently insist on confusing "whatever an anonymous blog says" with "documented fact."
What we do know: the Cardinal visited the mosque and he thanked the community there for their concern and efforts on behalf of the kidnapped French citizens.
The claim that the Cardinal participated in Islamic prayers is an unsubstantiated allegation lodged by an anonymous blogger with an admitted agenda.
The heathen of the mosque of Lyon were calling for kidnapped Frenchmen to be freed by militants and to be returned unharmed to their families. They did not behead Cardinal Barbarin or anyone else.
They accepted the love and salvation of Jesus Christ.
While St. Patrick was fortunate enough not be killed by the heathens of pre-Christian Ireland, they were more than happy to "go forth and kill" other Christian monks and missionaries. Pre-Christian Ireland was not exactly an idyllic place. It was a violent, clannish culture.
Moreover, Christian Ireland also had its violent moments. One of the key historical dates in Irish history was the Battle of Cul Dreimhne, in which the forces of Saint Finnian of Moville fought a brutal battle with the associates of Saint Columba over a stolen copy of the Book of Psalms.
As a result of the battle, many men were killed and Columba was forced to flee Ireland and settle in Iona.
Traditionally the Christian O'Donnells would bear the case holding the recovered Psalm text into battle, believing that its possession gave them the power to defeat any rival, Christian or pagan. That relic still exists and is in the National Museum.
You talk of reaching out''.
No, I don't. Don't put words in my mouth.
What I did say, and still say, is that Christian clergymen should not avoid the company of unbelievers. They have an apostolic responsibility.
You said upthread, in an amusing bit of melodramatic chest-beating: "No follower of Christ as any business being in the company of such heathen mongrels unless said heathen mongrels have to come to renounce their demon prophet."
You are simply wrong. A follower of Christ has every motive to go among unbelievers who are clinging to false beliefs and to teach them by example that their prejudices about Christ and Christians are wrong.
Your words and attitude show us that you believe in living down to Muslims' lowest opinions of Christians.
We are supposed to provide the better example.
“You apparently insist on confusing “whatever an anonymous blog says” with “documented fact.”
And you apparently insist to dodge the issue entirely when faced with an insurmountable argument. Unfortunately, you still distort it. It is not that he prayed ISLAMIC prayers. It’s that he prayed WITH Muslims, an ecumenical prayer as if all present were equals, despite their prayers to entirely different gods. He even mentions Allah, as if he can hear prayers the same as our God.
To pray with them, under any form, as if speaking to the same deity, or even as if they are equals in any way, is to commune with infidels and give their religion a respect and authority they do not deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
We are to stand as outcasts and warriors against a world that would have us exist as only “just another religion,” with no claims of exclusivity. But Christ is exclusive, and their religion is antiChrist. Our duty, then, is to evangelize them, not humor them.
Again, this is an unsubstantiated assertion.
He met with them and thanked them for their advocacy of the kidnap victims - that's documented.
The supposed liturgical activity is not.
I have not been aware of ‘Chrislam’ as a movement of many emerging churches. If the term is a joining of ‘Christian’ and ‘Islam’ I think such a movement is an abomination of the Christian faith. Both Christianity and Islam go back to God’s servant Abraham. Christians come immediately and directly from Sarah and Jacob to David onto Jesus Christ as of God. This is the lineage of my religion and faith. Islam was established about 600 years after the the Christian faith took roots by Mohammed who is what anyone believes him to be as a prophet of Allah. I don’t believe Mohammed’s Allah is the same Creator as my God because my Bible is vastly different from what I have learned about the Koran.But my skepticism as to a ‘Chrislam’ goes back to Abraham. Islam came out of Abraham after his maid servant Hagar, not of Israelite roots, had a child by Abraham but who was put out of Abraham’s family. Quick forward to Mohammed. I believe he was of the root of Hagar and in search of his own faith but separate from the root of Sarah. My real concern about the faith established by Mohammed is that it carries with it’s religion a worldly political government which is not reconciled with Christ’s teaching to ‘give unto Caesar those things that are of Caesar and unto God that which is of God’. I believe this Nation’s Founders were much aware of the dangers in Islam when they adopted our Constitution.
But to Jesus, they are not.
Perhaps you should stop pretending to be a Christian.
Putting aside the fact that Jesus is now living, are you saying that He never imagined that Islam would ever exist and that His moral teaching was therefore deficient because of His lack of knowledge - and that He requires your assistance to update His moral teaching?
I find it amazing that you are blaming your own rejection of Christ's teaching on the supposed inadequacy of that perfect teaching, instead of on your own sinfulness.
Show me where he preached to Muslims. Who the hell are you to question my Christianity and to take my inventory you moral idiot?
Are you saying that unless Jesus personally preached to a person during His earthly ministry, that person is "scum"? Your reasoning is becoming increasingly incoherent.
Who the hell are you to question my Christianity and to take my inventory you moral idiot?
I'm a poster on FR.
I see you on this thread doing two things:
(1) Clumsily misrepresenting Catholicism and
(2) Slandering a Catholic bishop based on nothing other than an anonymous internet rumor.
I disagree with both these things and I am explaining why I disagree.
One might well ask: Who are you to condemn Cardinal Barbarin?
So, in other words, because they (1) consider Christians and Jews to be scum and (2) treat Christians and Jews like scum, we should imitate their attitude and just reflect it back at them?
Is that the Christian message?
I'm a poster on free republic too.
I agree wholeheartedly.
You haven't addressed a single point about the evils of Islam I put to you nor answered a single question I put to you about Mohammed.
There is no need to debate whether Islam is evil or whether Mohammed was evil. These matters are not controversial.
What is a matter of controversy is how Christians should response to the challenge of evil.
I would argue that Christians should respond to evil in the way that Jesus recommends in the Scriptures.
Your rhetoric does not square with Matthew 5:44.
Shut your trap and go pester someone else.
If I believed you had any authority in these matters, I might. But I don't.
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