2013 and you argue with 250????
(Actually, 215, but I skipped Hippolytus and went to Origen.)
You, of course, know what libraries and records they had access to.
“The New Testament teaching by Paul that our children are set aside and holy in the eyes of God would not conflict with that. Nor would the teaching of Peter in Acts that the promise is for our children. Nor would the teaching that Lydia’s, the Jailer’s, and Cripus’ households were baptized conflict with the baptism of infants. Nor would Jesus own teaching who said about infants, “Let the little children come to me.””
***Yes, all of those are supportive of infant baptism. You, though, have a different theological belief, and so you cannot look through another’s eyes.***
“So, I could go on and on with others in early church history who testify to infant baptism at the earliest stages of the church.”
***Yes. The church is 2000 years old and we’re talking when it was only 10% of that 2000 old.
“On the other hand, you don’t have to accept that explanation, and you can have your reasons for not accepting it. However, what you cannot say is that those who do teach it have made it up out of thin air.”
***Nope. It has a basis in fact, as I’ve listed above. As evidience, it must be countered by your evidence which is limited. No place does the New Testament say, “You must not baptize babies.” You must compile circumstantial evidence.
“There is a basis in scripture and church history for the teaching of infant baptism.”
***Yes, I’ve mentioned an entire group of scripture that would support and/or fit with infant baptism. You have listed not one apostle or prophet saying “do not baptize/include infants.”
Why doesn’t Jesus tell me NOT to baptize infants?
Why don’t the Apostles? Not even one says “Do not baptize infants.”
Why is there not a passage of scripture that denies infant baptism?
The Household baptisms are a possible example of infant baptism.
Why is there no scripture that denies infant baptism?
Why do you deny those scriptures that support the full inclusion of infants?
And when our socialist government comes to take your children away and they lock you up or off with your head, and they train your kids to be atheistic, that’s just the way it is, isn’t it? It’s all on your little ones. If they don’t figure it out on their own, then that’s just tough.
Because God has no regard for the faith of his martyrs relative to their families.
/sarc
2013 and you argue with 250????
Perhaps I didn’t make my reason clear. I don’t doubt the practice came in at a later time. What we don’t find is anything before 100 AD, hence a practice that wasn’t Biblical and was not practiced by the Church, but was added later - I suspect a pagan practice.
***Yes, all of those are supportive of infant baptism.***
Actually, not even one of those even addresses the issue of infant baptism. Not in english. Not in greek. I read NT Greek. I looked. Ain’t there.
***Nope. It has a basis in fact, as I’ve listed above. As evidence, it must be countered by your evidence which is limited. No place does the New Testament say, “You must not baptize babies.” You must compile circumstantial evidence.
And you can find no evidence in scripture. Zilch. You are doing your best to spin straw into gold, but it remains a pile of straw that refers to kids, but no baptism is present.
The scripture doesn’t say lots of things. Doesn’t say you shouldn’t baptize the family dog either. Doesn’t have to. Baptism is for humans who have repented and entrusted themselves to Christ.
***Yes, I’ve mentioned an entire group of scripture that would support and/or fit with infant baptism. You have listed not one apostle or prophet saying “do not baptize/include infants.”
Why would I have to prove a negative, when Scripture teaches baptism is for those who repent and entrust themselves to Christ? Infants don’t do that, hence don’t qualify.
Don’t you even stop to ask yourself why not one of your “entire group” of scriptures even mentions baptism of an infant? As such, they don’t support infant baptism. I went through each with you. Not a single one had anything to do with dunking babies.
“The Household baptisms are a possible example of infant baptism.”
Argument from silence. “Possible example” contains no evidence it happened - especially in context.
“Why is there no scripture that denies infant baptism?”
Above. Baptism is for those who believe and repent. Infants don’t do that.
“Why do you deny those scriptures that support the full inclusion of infants?”
Because none does. Not a single one you showed here mentions or supports baptism of anyone who can’t believe and repent.
Im afraid you’ve run out of straw on this one. The best you’ve been able to do is to find some references after 100 AD and NO scriptures that command, instruct or show a single infant baptism. None.
And finally AGAIN, you avoided answering my questions. Not even one of them was answered.
Why?
Is it because there is only one answer that can be possible? Ah, yes.
Here they are again, in case you’ve forgotten...
Why didn’t Jesus Christ tell you to baptize infants?
Why didn’t the Apostles?
Why not at least one Apostle?
Why isn’t there one example of any believer baptizing an infant in the NT?
Why is there not passage in Scripture that commands it?
Not one in the entire NT?
Why is there no passage that models it? Not one?
Why is there no passage that instructs you to do it?
Why is there no passage that instructs the Church to do it?
Why is there one giant black hole on this issue in the Bible? If it is even remotely important, why wasn’t it ever mentioned?
Why are there no pictures of infants being baptized before 100 AD?
Why are there no Church Father writings before 100 AD showing this?