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To: svcw
"That is patently false.

This is patently what the Lord Jesus Christ said Himself. If you don't want to accept it, that's your choice. Good luck with that at the judgement.

If you have to work for Salvation, you can never be assured.

I have faith in Jesus Christ, that's all the assurance that I need. Your statement reminds me of something straight out of the Screwtape letters; don't try because you can't succeed.

"There is no way to work hard enough or long enough to earn the Gift of Grace."

Do you honestly think the rules get changed because you think it's too hard??

"Grace is a gift. Gifts are not earned."

If doing evil works will condemn you, good works have to save you; through the judgement and grace of Jesus Christ. He will judge us based on our works and give grace accordingly.

1 John 2:29
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Colossians 3:25
25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

John 3:21
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

1 John 3:7
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

John 9:31
31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

Matthew 7:21
21 ¶Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 9:4
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

James 2:22
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

These are just a small handful of scriptures out of literally 100's that show the importance of works in regards to salvation. It's the 2nd most important and prominent teaching in the whole New Testament.

And here's a biggie:
Revelation 20:13
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

To say works have no part in salvation is bizarre when works is the very criteria Christ uses to grant salvation.
29 posted on 02/22/2013 8:46:15 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. - Eph 2:8-9

Checkmates you Mormons every time.

You know the words but have no understanding. Therefore you get it all backwards. Works are BECAUSE of salvation through GRACE, not for EARNING salvation.

Don't worry, not your fault, works based salvation is drilled into your heads as it is in several cults. Without it they could not maintain the control of otherwise free people.

The history and story of God's own plan of salvation its very self shows the error of such thinking. If works gained salvation then Christ was totally unnecessary.

32 posted on 02/22/2013 9:10:14 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
To say works have no part in salvation is bizarre when works is the very criteria Christ uses to grant salvation.

Is it by the works of Christ we are judged, or of our own? If our own, then one sin forever separates us. If that not be true...then the Muslim idea of scales, one's good deeds on one side, weighed against one's sins on the other is proper? If so, then why should God Himself need have come to bear the sins of the world at all?

I'm sorry, but the theology you propose is anything but Christian. It is not much more than a demand to out-Pharisee the Pharisees (zealots after the law).

Is THAT what the theology you propose understands what Christ meant when He said "... except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven"?

It is best to consider the setting under which he said the above (following the presentation of what is now known as the Beatitudes).

Closing that chapter is

Which raises the question, 'how to be perfect?'. I suggest it is not in regards to law itself, but towards the origins and intent of the law. For one can think of themselves as outwardly keeping every aspect of the law, yet inwardly be as the Pharisees which He condemned.

If we have learned anything regarding the documented relationship of the children of Israel to God and His given laws, is that no flesh can keep them. Anything less than perfection, is not enough.

Good works gets no one into heaven, for none are good enough. Except One.

37 posted on 02/22/2013 12:14:29 PM PST by BlueDragon
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