Then you have missed out on most of Baptist (all Baptist churches, even though affiliated with some Convention, are by definition autonomous), Plymouth Brethren (dispensational also), Independent Bible churches, etc. What you have missed out on is that no church of the New Testament record has the word Methodist, Presbyterian, Orthodox, Baptist, Unitarian (ha), Brethren, Roman, Catholic, etc associated with it. A complete description of the tenets of The Faith are in the Bible. No further description is needed to exercise authority in debates or discussion. You are merely trying to marginalize anyone who does not identify with Romanism, and it doesn't work. This Jesus, founder and author of The Faith, is nondenominational, as were all the churches of the New Testament.
Who are you, and what are you trying to achieve? Were I to name Cyrus Ingerson Schofield, or Ian Richard Kyle Paisley, Baron Bannside, PC, or John Nelson Darby, I am sure you would not like their estimate of the symbolism of the Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18. The founder of the mammoth Methodist denomination, John Wesley, thought the same as I am positing. (FYI, I was raised in a Methodist parsonage.) Would they, if alive, be banned from posting on FR? I am sure "Yes" if you were the referee.
What do you intend to do about this?
Ratzinger himself has offered the strategies of two types of methods in dealing with disagreements between theologians and the Magisterium: "In actuality, the point is precisely to use arguments instead of pressure as a means of persuasion.” (paragraph 3)
You wish to use the logical fallacy of the type "Eat garbage, 50 million flies can't be wrong" to refute and repudiate the assignment of the symbolism of Babylon, by trying to dominate by applying pressure rather than by close-drawn argument. No go. If you have a better interpretation, give it rationally. Stop playing this game "My argument is better because I am a Catholic" ploy.
If you seek a flame war, I withdraw. Now. In any case, I don't have a lot of time to unprofitably bicker with you over something you are clearly--not invincible--but unconvincible.
“Then you have missed out on most of Baptist (all Baptist churches, even though affiliated with some Convention...”
I’ve never seen a Baptist express that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon on FR. If they did, they didn’t admit to being Baptist, understandably. I think ‘he is not to be named on the religion forum’ claims to be some sort of Baptist. You know, the guy who makes the wacky pamphlets that are so embarrassing FR bans them. I don’t let that wackaddoo define the good Baptist Christians I see on FR. Or the Westboro loons, who don’t deserve to be called Baptists at all, in my opinion.
“You are merely trying to marginalize anyone who does not identify with Romanism, and it doesn’t work.”
Well, certainly I’m not calling another’s faith ‘the whore of babylon.’ Anyone reading this thread can see that.
“Would they, if alive, be banned from posting on FR? I am sure “Yes” if you were the referee.”
Hardly! I think it was a huge mistake for FR to ban these terribly embarrassing and funny sources. Because they are so embarrassing that they make FR look bad.
“You wish to use the logical fallacy of the type “Eat garbage, 50 million flies can’t be wrong” to refute and repudiate the assignment of the symbolism of Babylon, by trying to dominate by applying pressure rather than by close-drawn argument. No go. If you have a better interpretation, give it rationally. Stop playing this game “My argument is better because I am a Catholic” ploy.”
I’m not the one that thinks the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon. I simply pointed out that those on FR who express this opinion don’t assossiate themselves with a specific group of Christians. Because it is so embarrassing. Do you disagree that those that express the opinion on FR that the Catholic Church is the whore of babylon don’t bother to assossiate with any other group of Christians?
“If you seek a flame war, I withdraw. Now. In any case, I don’t have a lot of time to unprofitably bicker with you over something you are clearly—not invincible—but unconvincible.”
Again, I didn’t call anyone else’s faith the whore of babylon. I didn’t bicker. As anyone can see.
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