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To: 1010RD

Your comprehension skills are very sorely lacking. “In the beginning God created heaven and earth” means that “before” God created,

“God was all that there was - there was no empty space or a dark void or non-existence, and he himself is both “pure and eternal existence and the source of all other existence, which is derived from and dependent on his existence.” (”Is Creatio Ex Nihilo A Post-Biblical Invention? An Examination Of Gerhard May’s Proposal,” Paul Copan, Trinity Journal 17.1; Spring 1996)

With Irenaeus, the doctrine of creatio ex nihilo was well established. He also argued that the world (matter) was not coeternal with God:

“But the things established are distinct from Him who has established them, and what [things] have been made from Him who has made them. For He is Himself uncreated, both without beginning and end, and lacking nothing. He is Himself sufficient for this very thing, existence; but the things which have been made by Him have received a beginning... He indeed who made all things can alone, together with His Word, properly be termed God and Lord; but the things which have been made cannot have this term applied to them, neither should they justly assume that appellation which belongs to the Creator.”

The Fourth Lateran Council of 1215 formally declared:

“We firmly believe and simply confess that there is only one true God ... the Creator of all things visible and invisible, spiritual and corporeal; who from the very beginning of time by His omnipotent power created out of nothing [de nihilo condidit] both the spiritual beings and the corporeal.” (ibid, Copan)

The Westminister Confession of Faith (1646) asserts that,

“It pleased God ... in the beginning, to create or make of nothing the world, and all things therein” (IV.I; ibid)

Whether you are sincere or not, in your presumptuous ignorance you are blindly leading however many souls you have influence over, right into the pit.


237 posted on 02/15/2013 8:37:48 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish

Now be careful, those are all Godless men by LDS standards.


239 posted on 02/15/2013 9:05:11 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: spirited irish

Let’s stick to the Bible. I don’t accept the beliefs of men whether many or few or in councils or out. Why would I accept what they say over the near eastern philosophy of creation from chaos as being greater than creation from nothing? You cannot start with a hypothesis and then force the Bible to support it. A plain reading will help:

Here’s the word written “in the beginning”: http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7225.htm

So the entire purpose of Gen. 1:1 is to simply state that here’s what is about to happen at the start. Nothing has happened yet. It is an introductory statement used to focus the mind on the verses following. It states that at the start God created (http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/1254.htm with the sense being fashioned/formed like an artist would stone or clay, etc.) the heavens and the earth. Nothing has yet occured in the narrative.

Next is Gen 1:2 and that describes the first state: http://bible.cc/genesis/1-2.htm namely that until the Spirit of God moved or acted the earth was void/formless/empty - later we see that this means without life. From the reading H2O exists and is perhaps separated by a pangeaic form of land. It’s not certain. Then 1:3 statement on light which is open to interpretation. The action begins.

Ex nihilo is eisegesis and not something you take away from the actual document or writing. The Bible is plain. Back away from your preconceived notions and you’ll see.

There is nothing in the Biblical text to state that the earth in its void/formless/empty state is now brought into existance or was there to be worked on already. It is presumptuous to state so or to believe that such existance undermines the power, authority or majesty of God.


240 posted on 02/15/2013 9:13:33 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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