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To: staytrue
Your belief will motivate you, change you, and embellish you. AND THEREFORE HE EXISTS. If you believe the spirit of Elvis lives inside you, then it is a self evident truth that he does live inside you. It does not mean that god exists for everyone else.

Uh, NO. That's not the sort of God I believe in.

His existence is NOT conditional on any other being. In fact, all other beings, all other minds, were Created by him either directly, or through processes He designed.

None of this "god exists for you, but not for me" nonsense.

My God is actual, real, pre-existent, non-conditional, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and amazingly, cares about what happens to you and me.

79 posted on 02/08/2013 10:38:56 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“My God is actual, real, pre-existent, non-conditional, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and amazingly, cares about what happens to you and me.”

An old question is “if a tree falls in the woods and no one observes it, then did it really fall ?”

In Quantum Mechanics, the answer is if no one observed it, then it did not fall, but QM is off topic.

What is on topic is if human did not exist, would God exist.
That is god could go about creating heaven and earth and the stars but if no human ever saw it, would these creations exist ?

Your real god that cares about you and me does not exist if there is no you and me to care about. Furthermore, if he cares about you and me but there is no you and me, God’s power is diminished and his spirit is diminished if there is no you and me.

Put it another way. I may be a kind and loving person, but if there are no other people to show that to, then I am diminished by not being able to show kindness and love.

So, God is very dependent on interaction with people to be truly fullfilled.


116 posted on 02/09/2013 12:10:10 AM PST by staytrue
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To: backwoods-engineer

“My God is actual, real, pre-existent, non-conditional, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and amazingly, cares about what happens to you and me.”

An old question is “if a tree falls in the woods and no one observes it, then did it really fall ?”

In Quantum Mechanics, the answer is if no one observed it, then it did not fall, but QM is off topic.

What is on topic is if human did not exist, would God exist.
That is god could go about creating heaven and earth and the stars but if no human ever saw it, would these creations exist ?

Your real god that cares about you and me does not exist if there is no you and me to care about. Furthermore, if he cares about you and me but there is no you and me, God’s power is diminished and his spirit is diminished if there is no you and me.

Put it another way. I may be a kind and loving person, but if there are no other people to show that to, then I am diminished by not being able to show kindness and love.

So, God is very dependent on interaction with people to be truly fullfilled.


119 posted on 02/09/2013 7:23:28 AM PST by staytrue
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