Love Your Mormon Neighbors

The Gospel Coalition.org ^ | Feb. 4, 2013 | John Divito

[Elsie]

I didn’t say I believe everything that Mormons believe but there is much that we all have in common.

We can say this about Muslims and Hindus; too.

Or even Jeffery Dahmler.

It ain't the common things that makes MORMONism a heresy.

Ask your wife if YOU will be with her in eternity forever, if you both die this after noon.

[Elsie]

Please don’t take this as mean spirited but, just who are you to judge?

What?

What do they TEACH you in that 'methodist' church??

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Jesus has commanded us to judge!

 

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“Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

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Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

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“But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

“And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother” (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

“Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself” (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

“Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple” (Romans 16:17,18).

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All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep’s skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.

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 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”  (John 7:24).

[hosepipe]

You do know that the angels are called the Sons of God don’t you?..
Not to speak of the fact Adam and Eve are also “sons” of God.. (and their progeny)..

God having “sons and daughters”.. is a novel concept..
Actually God even having “gender” is a novel concept.. i.e. WHY?
You realize I speak of a “real” God not a designer God.. i.e. idol

I think.. the bible leads as many away from God as those that it brings toward God..
The “dead letter” of “the word of God” can be a distraction.. i.e. formulaic legality...

A minor point being Jesus is not “Jesus’” name...
and we are all “sons” of God.. inferring daughters..

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God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” John 4;24
You know...... NOT flesh.. 3D.. limited..

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Of all bible verses I like this one best... I Cor 2;9...

[greyfoxx39]

Why does it make a difference how He came to be God.

WOW! How Hilary Clinton. Sluff off the key reason that mormonism is antiChristian with "What difference does it make?"

[Las Vegas Ron]

Oh, and btw, by your own confession of Las Vegas standards, that includes critics like you who come on board and start disparaging others' religious expressions...

Wow, you post as if you know me, you know nothing about me. I live in Vegas out of necessity, not choice.

I am strong enough in my belief I don't have to post incessantly about other Religions.

[Las Vegas Ron]

It's not a sign of weakness to confront error face to face. It's an act of love.

I know, but I got burnt out on it when Romney was running against the "won", the constant bashing here was a bit much, imo.

[fishtank]

This is why I respond to lds threads... there is blatant identity theft from the slclds.

[svcw]

What are your beliefs?

[Las Vegas Ron]

The Bible and the Constitution.

[dmz]

It’s also not a bad idea to be respectful and open to the FLDS, too.

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YOu’re a bigger person than I am. I’d probably be able to respect them as much as Warren Jeffs respects the underaged girls he is in jail for “marrying” or “marrying off”.

[MeganC]

Warren Jeffs was just ahead of his time. Any more most liberals would say he was perfectly qualified to be a Girl Scout Leader.

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Seriously, Jesus kept company with rough people and the FLDS are really kind of nice on an individual basis. The dresses suck out loud, but the people in them are nice enough. They’re also very receptive to hearing the Word from anyone willing to engage them.

I’m just saying that they deserve salvation just like everyone else does. You don’t need to approve of them in order to minister to them.

[svcw]

Ok, not sure why you included the Constitution as a belief it is an incredible document but it is not Holy and this is the Religion Forum.

The Bible - the Bible tells us through many writers on those pages:
*that we are to call out false prophets and teachings
*that we are to judge everything against the Word of God

To beleive the Bible then you as well should be judging everything against God’s Word and calling out false teachings and prophets.

mormonISM is false

mormonism’s words are false

mormonism’s gods are false

mormonism’s prophets are false

[svcw]

I’m just saying that they deserve salvation just like everyone else does. You don’t need to approve of them in order to minister to them

Nicely stated.

I would just add one thing, none of us deserves Salvation, it is only by the Grace of God we have it, if we choose.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Ok, not sure why you included the Constitution as a belief it is an incredible document but it is not Holy and this is the Religion Forum.

You asked me my beliefs, that is why I included the Constitution.

*that we are to call out false prophets and teachings

If you can cite that, I'd like to see it to learn. I seem to recall the Bible warned us of those things.

To believe the Bible then you as well should be judging everything against God’s Word and calling out false teachings and prophets.

I do, I just don't spend an inordinate amount of time on Internet forums doing so.

For those who do, imo, it's a sign of their own lack of faith and conviction.

JMHO, btw, where are the criticisms of the true evil, islam on these forums?

[svcw]

Because this thread is about mormonism, that is why mormonism is discussed.
Start a thread about islam and you most certainly would see discussion of islam.

2 Peter 2:1 ESV
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Romans 16:18 ESV
For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Romans 16:18 KJV
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Ephesians 5:11 ESV
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Ephesians 5:11 KJV
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 John 1:9 ESV
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1: KJV
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Romans 16:17-18 ESV
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
Romans 16:17-18 KJV
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Jude 1:4 ESV
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4 KJV
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:1-2 ESV
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2 Timothy 4:3 ESV
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2 Timothy 4:3 KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.

Matthew 7:15 ESV
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 7:15 KJV
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

This is a start for your study.

[greyfoxx39]

where are the criticisms of the true evil, islam on these forums?

No, WHERE are the criticisms of the true evil, islam...by mormons? Why aren't FR mormons posting articles about the evils of Islam?....well....these links may lead you to the closeness of mormonism to islam.

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/16673/LDS-church-gymnasium-open-for-Muslim-worship-services?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

LDS church gymnasium open for Muslim worship services

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a Mormon church on Old Highway 94 in St. Charles,

provides space every Friday in its gymnasium for Muslims to spread their prayer rugs and worship." (August 24, 2010)

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/631/BYU-publishes-classic-text-written-by-Islamic-philosopher?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

BYU publishes classic text written by Islamic philosopher

"The publication of Avicenna's work is "an acknowledgment of the great contributions Arabic and Islamic civilization have made to the world,"

Daniel C. Peterson said. "It is an expression of respect for Muslim tradition on the part of Latter-day Saints."

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/17289/Mormons-Muslims-get-along-by-creating-books-not-destroying-them?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

Mormons, Muslims get along by creating books, not destroying them

"The threat by Pastor Terry Jones to burn the Qur'an was all over the news. What if, instead of destroying Muslim books,

we were actually to create them, by translating the classic works of the Islamic golden age into English?

"That is the project Dan Peterson, a professor of Arabic at Brigham Young University has been engaged in for more than a decade,

a project that has built tremendous goodwill and resulted in many lasting friendships between Muslims and those of the Mormon faith.

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/17020/McKay-Coppins-Why-I-defend-Muslims?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

McKay Coppins: Why I defend Muslims

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705385949/Muslim-Day-of-Dignity-observed-in-Baltimore.html

Muslim 'Day of Dignity' observed in Baltimore

"The Mormon Church donated some of the school supplies and all of the hygiene kits. While interfaith charity efforts are not uncommon,

the Muslim-Mormon team catches some people by surprise, Amin said."

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/16942/Orange-County-Calif-Muslims-Mormons-break-fast?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queueOrange

Orange County, Calif., Muslims, Mormons break fast (Sept. 7, 2010)

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/353/Make-LDS-part-of-Mideast-solution-rabbi-suggests?s_cid=search_queue&utm_source=search_queue

Make LDS part of Mideast solution, rabbi suggests

""If the (Quorum of the) Twelve were to approach the United States government and say,

'We really feel that the religious dimension should be engaged in any kind of process to seek a way

to bring about peace in the Holy Land' ... I think that would be very helpful," Rabbi David Rosen told an audience at BYU"

BTW, is there any reason that you personally are not posting articles about the evil islam?

[Las Vegas Ron]

This is a start for your study.

Perhaps it should be a start for you to learn how to read and comprehend?

Those are warnings, where is it in the Scripture that reads they should be called out?

Your words, not mine....

*that we are to call out false prophets and teachings