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To: D-fendr
conditioned upon election.

I don't see where grace is conditioned upon election; election IS grace.

It's only by grace that one is elected.

40 posted on 02/07/2013 1:25:24 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up
Thanks for your reply:

I don't see where grace is conditioned upon election; election IS grace.

But no grace or faith for the non-elect. I think you've only attempted to solve the conflict by redefining election. Bottom line is still: no-election, no grace/faith/salvation and it is election that conditions everything else. Hence, salvation by election.

85 posted on 02/07/2013 5:50:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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