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To: kosciusko51
Hmmm, obviously the point that I accept direct quotes from Jesus Christ Himself as if they are His own words and as His words He was smart enough to know what He was saying is off the topic.

So, what is on the topic of a someone saying a direct quote of Jesus Christ Himself needs carefully turned into something other than a simple statement of fact by those who don't like what He said?

198 posted on 02/11/2013 9:21:15 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
If your point is that Jesus is speaking plainly when He says, "This is My body", is He not also speaking plainly when He says:

John 6:65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

John 15:16 “You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.”

John 17:1-3 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

John 17:9-10 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them."

If so, Jesus is plainly saying that only those chosen by the Father to give to the Son are saved, and that Jesus asks only on behalf of the chosen, and not on behalf of the world.

199 posted on 02/11/2013 10:25:35 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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