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To: allmendream

“As a scientist I have no problem with acknowledging that radioactive decay is random, that mutations are random, that quantum mechanics are probabilistic/random.”

Yes, but I think you are confusing random or probabilistic with the supernatural. Just because a cause may be random, does not make it compatible with a supernatural cause. It’s still, in the view of science, a purely naturalistic cause, no matter how random it is.

“As a Christian I have no problem with acknowledging that God is in control of random events - something that creationists have a very hard time acknowledging - as you seem to be - it is a huge blind spot based upon ignorance of the Bible.”

As I seem to be? How exactly? Did I ever say anything like that? God is in control of everything, short of human free will, and even that is only because He chooses to allow us free will. I’ve never seen any Christian betray the kind of bias that you keep talking about, so I really don’t know where you are getting this idea from.

“You also seem to have a huge blind spot in that one can accept a scientific theory and have faith in God, without that scientific theory ascribing any action to supernatural causation.”

No, I have no problem with that, and again, I have no idea where you get that from. I believe in a great many scientific theories and none of them ascribe any action to supernatural causation.

“Newton didn’t ascribe supernatural causation to Gravity - yet he knew that it all unfolded according to God’s plan.”

There’s a distinct difference there. Newton didn’t believe that God was “guiding” objects to fall to Earth through natural forces, as guided evolution proponents believe. Newton’s situation requires no active involvement or participation by a supernatural entity, short of writing the laws of physics initially, while guided evolution does require such a thing.

“Similarly one need not have faith that God is in control of random events in order to be a scientist who knows understand and utilizes the theory of evolution.”

No, you don’t, but I still think that you’re kidding yourself if you think that what you believe would be acknowledged as the same theory by mainstream scientists.


97 posted on 02/08/2013 3:02:18 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
No, it is you who is attempting to conflate randomness with supernatural action.

God doesn’t need supernatural intervention to know beforehand and be in control of every dice roll.

“The dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the Lord”

Evolution functions according to natural causes, errors in DNA polymerase, spontaneous mutations in germ line cells, etc; and the natural selection that causes some of these variations to have greater or lesser reproductive success.

Saying that mutations arise in a random fashion in no way removes God as knowing beforhand what the change would be and being in absolute control - without any sort of supernatural causation or intervention necessary.

The dichotomy you are attempting to set up exists only in those who cannot acknowledge that there is no conflict between faith in God and acceptance of scientific theories.

Faith that evolution unfolded according to God’s will in no way is ascribing supernatural “guiding” or causation to evolution - any more than faith that the universe obeying gravity unfolded according to God’s will is ascrbing supernatural “guiding” or causation to gravity.

98 posted on 02/08/2013 3:16:19 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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