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To: count-your-change
I'll have to stop you at an early point:

The scientific explanation for the existence of humans is that random events occurred that started life, no need to invoke any higher powers.

Some scientist's perhaps, but they are incorrect regarding "Science." Science by itself cannot speak to anything not detectable by the senses and their extensions. It can't address the 'why' only the 'how.' And, since it models what it calls hypotheses, theories and laws, randomness does not answer a scientific question - you can't model true absolute randomness.

The view you are describing is held in the philosophy called Scientism ("That which cannot be known by science does not exist.") Scientism was debunked - it falls in performance error - shortly after it was proposed. It is a fallacy.

If we do not get what science is correctly, we make category errors. And discussing religion and science cannot have the true and necessary foundation.

Thanks for your reply.

67 posted on 02/07/2013 2:32:06 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

“the dice are cast into the lap, but every result is from the Lord”

Who is so foolish as to think that God’s power stops at the casino door? That to say something is “random” is to say that it is beyond the power of God?


71 posted on 02/07/2013 3:26:44 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: D-fendr

” And, since it models what it calls hypotheses, theories and laws, randomness does not answer a scientific question -you can’t model true absolute randomness.”

And one doesn’t have to. Simply put the term “random” is used by scientists to mean unpredictable or unguided like the meteor that supposedly ended the dinosauer age and gave mouse like mammals the chance to evolve into humans. There is another thread running on this very subject.

“The view you are describing is held in the philosophy called Scientism (”That which cannot be known by science does not exist.”)”

That is not what I am describing at all. That which falls outside the realm of science is unscientific and therefore either myth, folklore, or credulity.

“....randomness does not answer a scientific question...”

Oh but it does! It answers the Why? by saying there is no why, no why of a meteor hit or that life should begin at all. It just did, no why, no purpose, random.


72 posted on 02/07/2013 3:28:16 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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