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To: cuban leaf
The body is just the tent that was occupied by the person.

Wrong, horribly wrong. A human person is a body-soul duality, not a ghost temporarily inhabiting a sack of meat. This is exactly what I mean when I say your anthropology is not Christian.

As someone said, “it is said you have a soul. You ARE a soul. You have a body.”

"Someone" may have said that, but it's not in the Bible. Nor is it even correctly attributed to C.S. Lewis. I'd say "someone" got it wrong.

38 posted on 02/06/2013 6:05:01 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Wrong, horribly wrong. A human person is a body-soul duality, not a ghost temporarily inhabiting a sack of meat. This is exactly what I mean when I say your anthropology is not Christian.


Well, I guess we disagree on that one, then. My perspective gets a lot of rankles up at my Baptist church here in Kentucky, but I’ll sum it up here:

I believe that we are both natural and spiritual. One example of scripture that discusses this is Jesus being called both “Son of God” and “Son of man.”

But to get to my core belief, it starts with Ecclesiastes. In fact, when I encounter a person who is not a Christian but is not an enemy of the faith and knows something of it (usually someone raised as a catholic in childhood but fell away as an adult) I ask them to read Ecclesiastes in its entirety in one sitting. I preface it with the comment that it is about the richest man that ever lived, he had the chicks, the cars, the villa in the Alps, but he discovered something about the “natural man” and repeats it over and over. And then there is a zinger at the end that changes everything - kinda like the movie, The Sixth Sense.

I see non-Christians as animals, that have potential. That is the “natural” man. Without Christ, as Ecclesiastes says, you eat and drink and enjoy the fruits of your labor and then you die, just like any other animal. The only difference is that you will stand before the white throne judgement. If you are in the book of life, you go on to eternity with your Creator. If not, you die the second death. You are then done. For all eternity.

And the “you” is the soul that really is separate from your body. It’s why Paul calls this body a tent. And he was VERY clear about it:

2 Corinthians 5:1
For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

2 Corinthians 5:4
For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

2 Peter 1:13
I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body...

I’ve used this analogy for many years:

An animal’s body is like a drone aircraft while a human’s is like a manned aircraft. Both do similar things and are designed to function and reproduce within the environment for which they were created. But the animal is instinct and a sort of AI while the human is occupied by a self aware and sentient living soul. Just as an airplane is treated as more valuable has more safety features and precautions to preserve it’s functionality and the life of the occupant compared to a drone, a human is more valuable than an animal for the same reason. What makes it valuable is its contents.

This is a point of contention many animal rights activists have with me. I separate creation into two groups: Man, who is created in Gods image, and natural resource, which is the category into which everything else falls.

Your body will die. Your spirit will be resurrected for the great white throne judgement. If you are written in the book of life, you go to an eternity in the presence of God. If not, you die for the last time. The “second death”.


46 posted on 02/06/2013 6:32:43 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Campion

“Someone” may have said that, but it’s not in the Bible. Nor is it even correctly attributed to C.S. Lewis. I’d say “someone” got it wrong.


Where did I mention C. S. Lewis?


51 posted on 02/06/2013 6:39:55 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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