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To: Zuriel

OK - I’m pretty sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Here are some things I think make that interpretation difficult, but not necessarily impossible.

1) in John 20:22, it says he breathed on them, and said to them, receive ye the holy spirit. Obviously the breathing on them happened at the time Jesus was speaking, so it makes for awkward interpretation, just reading the verse, that the receiving of the holy ghost was to occur many days in the future. The easiest interpretation of the verse is that Jesus breathed on them and then immediately they received the holy spirit. The greek verb tense also supports this. There is no command to wait in Jerusalem at this point, because they will be in Galilee in John 21.

2) after this, In John 21, Jesus appeared to them in Galilee

3) Most, if not all of the quotes that refer to the coming of the holy spirit at pentecost, (acts 1:4, luke 24:49) tell the disciples to tarry in jerusalem and wait for the promise of the father. This clearly occurred after the first John 20 incident, since they went to Galilee after John 20 and before acts:4 and luke 24:49.

So if I approach it without preconceived notions the easiest interpretation is:
1) Jesus breathed on them and they received the holy spirit
2) They went to galilee and met jesus there
3) They came back to Jerusalem and met Jesus again before he ascended. Here he gave them the command to tarry and wait for the Holy Spirit again. This second event seems in context to be associated with the power to minister.

I can see your point, but I can’t get it from reading the scriptures unless I start with the premise there is only one occurrence. The plain reading with two occurrences is still easier for me to fit to the text.


67 posted on 02/06/2013 6:16:18 PM PST by krghou
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To: krghou

**The easiest interpretation of the verse is that Jesus breathed on them and then immediately they received the holy spirit.**

But, the passage doesn’t say they immediately received the Spirit. That’s ‘interpretting’ the situation. Jesus reaffirms in Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:8 what is actually prophecy in John 20:22

Jesus commanded them in Matthew 28:19 to “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,.....”. They did ‘go’, but not immediately; they tarried for days in Jerusalem because they were told by the Lord before he ascended that they would “be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” And that they “shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..”. Acts 1:5,8

**The plain reading with two occurrences is still easier for me to fit to the text.**

The command wasn’t immediately followed by a recorded occurrance. The occurrance happened days later, fulfilling a command that was also a prophecy. Here’s some plain reading: The command in Luke 18:42 IS followed by an occurrance in verse 43: “Receive thy sight.....And immediately he received his sight...”.


68 posted on 02/06/2013 7:35:53 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: krghou

**The easiest interpretation of the verse is that Jesus breathed on them and then immediately they received the holy spirit.**

But, the passage doesn’t say they immediately received the Spirit. That’s ‘interpretting’ the situation. Jesus reaffirms in Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:8 what is actually prophecy in John 20:22

Jesus commanded them in Matthew 28:19 to “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,.....”. They did ‘go’, but not immediately; they tarried for days in Jerusalem because they were told by the Lord before he ascended that they would “be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.” And that they “shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you..”. Acts 1:5,8

**The plain reading with two occurrences is still easier for me to fit to the text.**

The command wasn’t immediately followed by a recorded occurrance. The occurrance happened days later, fulfilling a command that was also a prophecy. Here’s some plain reading: The command in Luke 18:42 IS followed by an occurrance in verse 43: “Receive thy sight.....And immediately he received his sight...”.


69 posted on 02/06/2013 7:37:43 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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