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To: Rashputin
Dear Rashputin,

I just don't think so.

As I said, the regime will go into campaign mode and will present it as a question of forcing the patriarchal, woman-oppressing Church to pay for the health care needs of poor, underpaid, oppressed workers and their young children.

When you play the religious freedom angle, you get decent popular response. But when you play the “denial of healthcare,” even the “denial of contraceptives” angle, the Church comes out losing.

And the regime, through the lamestream media, has the loudest megaphone.

As well, the bishops are generally too compromised on the whole question. They're seen as swallowing camels (government-run health care) while straining at gnats (yelling about “religious freedom” over one detail of government-run health care).

It would require large numbers of bishops becoming actually Catholic and calling government-run health care what it is: intrinsically evil.

Perhaps God might bless us with such a miracle. But I'm not bettin’ the farm on it.


sitetest

93 posted on 01/30/2013 3:04:05 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
....the bishops are generally too compromised on the whole question. They're seen as swallowing camels (government-run health care) while straining at gnats (yelling about “religious freedom” over one detail of government-run health care). It would require large numbers of bishops becoming actually Catholic and calling government-run health care what it is: intrinsically evil.

Summed up nicely.

96 posted on 01/30/2013 3:30:43 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: sitetest
"As well, the bishops are generally too compromised on the whole question. They're seen as swallowing camels (government-run health care) while straining at gnats (yelling about “religious freedom” over one detail of government-run health care)."

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Agree.

"While supporting this extension of health care, the U.S. Bishops Conference reminded us this week that since the passage of ACA, the Church has encountered significant challenges to its institutional religious freedom."

http://www.patriotledger.com/blogs/frontpage/x1446668025/Cardinal-OMalley-Health-care-is-a-right

This statement implies that the ACA is acceptable to the U.S. Bishops Conference as long as "institutional religious freedom" isn't impacted, despite the fact that the ACA is a socialist redistribution scheme which tramples on the freedom of individuals as well as institutions.

"...no Catholic [can] subscribe even to moderate Socialism."

MATER ET MAGISTRA, 34, Pope John XXIII On Christianity and Social Progress, May 15, 1961

98 posted on 01/30/2013 4:14:02 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: sitetest
" . . . government-run health care what it is: intrinsically evil."

ROTFL.

Yeah, so, where is your website and your record of fighting to privatize the Veterans Administration that periodically turns a hospital here and there into a horror movie? Is it the same one you have to fight against the decades long abuse the BIA health system dispenses and fails to dispense or do you have two different sites?

LOL. Yeah, "intrinsically evil" when it impacts your life, otherwise, not so much.

I don't want anything to do with anything the government runs ever again but that doesn't make hyperbole from the peanut gallery trying to put more blame off on Catholic Bishops than others is any less funny. BarryCare as "intrinsically" evil because everyone is going to get the same crap that those who had no alternative have been getting for a long, long, time.

Any time problems with the health care system have come up there's been the sound of a big broom sweeping it under the rug followed by crickets until the next horror story came up. Conservatives never had the guts to make it more like a real private industry and the left always had the guts to press for more socialization in exchange for shoving it under the rug for a few more years. Bishops are stupid to think that anything the government runs can work well, but their being stupid is a far cry from their ignoring an "intrinsic evil".

They're not a bit more evil than the people who had no problems, insurance paid for by their employer or income to afford insurance, and no idea at all how far out of whack things have gotten. The Bishops are supid for thinking nationalized healthcare is worthwhile, but they're no more stupid than the people who have ignored the mess things have become. For half the population, if their spouse has a major stroke they better drag them to the driveway and run them over before calling EMS. That way EMS will figure the stroke is due to their having been accidently run over and the auto insurance will pay. Otherwise they're only a few months or even weeks away from being bankrupt and then some.

Ignoring contraception to the extent they have, now that's ignoring intrinsic evil, but of course the vast majority of the population love contraception and don't care about the blood on their own hands. I notice that murdering millions with contraceptives doesn't come up as being "intrinsically evil" very often, now why is that? If BarryCare is as popular as contraception, does that mean BarryCare ceases to be "intrinsically evil", too?

People who are neck deep in the mud they're throwing at Catholic Bishops look just plain silly when they try to pin BarryCare on people who ninety percent of the population ignore anyway.

101 posted on 01/30/2013 5:53:03 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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