Posted on 01/30/2013 5:26:02 AM PST by NYer
You would think somewhere between suing the federal gov’t and going to jail they would entertain the possibility of using public discipline on public Catholics who publicly supported and continue to publicly support these things.
I mean, I’m thinking it would be handled a little bit differently 300 years ago.
Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR
If they're not willing to die for their faith they shouldn't be bishops.
You are doing what all of your leftist comrades do try and silence those who dare voice thoughts they don't like. Sorry tootsie roll but with the exception of reproductive issues, the ACCB is at least as far left as the democratic party and your hero 0bama.
Fr is full of people like you, full of sound and fury about things that they don't like, but lacking the wit to actually address the issues. In the unlikely event you come up with an intelligent thought let me know - otherwise try and hide the liberal left stance of the catholic church under a cloud of meaningless drivel. I'm done wasting my time on you you're not worth any further effort.
I should have added, maybe those wimpy bishops could get teaching jobs at Notre Dame or some other secular college.
When is the last time the Catholic Church excommunicated someone? I suggest they do so to all the “Catholics” in Congress that profess to be Catholic but vote otherwise. And make it a very public announcement.
I have no idea which, if any, bishops are actually willing to die for the faith.
The point is, they're not going to have to. Not over Obamacare. The regime isn't going to put anyone in jail over failure to comply with Obamacare.
For one, it's not a criminal violation of law, just a civil violation. You don't put folks in jail for civil violations of law. You just take their money and their stuff.
Once you take their money and their stuff, they have nothing with which to pay their employees. At that point, their employees are no longer employed. They're volunteers! The various church institutions that are destituted through civil seizures and forfeitures will no longer have to worry about Obamacare, as, having no money with which to pay wages, they will no longer be employers, and thus will not be covered by any laws regarding employer obligations.
sitetest
For nearly 40 years European countries have been providing not only universal contraception but tax-financed abortions, up to and including the third trimester.
Guess that’s why all the Cardinals in Europe are languishing in jail, eh?
As a devoted Catholic, I have to say that too many priests have failed their flock when they refuse to teach the morals properly. They are afraid to discuss abortion and divorce for fear of offending someone. They have their backs to the wall now, much like the frog placed in warm water with the heat turned up slowly, they are just now facing the consequences of their betrayal. It will be an interesting time in our history.
I do believe that if one bishop takes the lead in condemning Obamacare, that Obama will silence him with jail. NO ONE criticizes the king...NO ONE. What about that poor martyr who made a film offending Islam. He sits silently in jail, still the scapegoat for Benghazi. Oh, yeah, I believe Obama would go that far.
They won’t through them in jail, just attack the financial side of things.
That will make the bishops go quiet. Not bashing them, because most churches and synods will do the same thing. Kind of like the “Catholic” hospital in Colorado arguing that a fetus is not a person according to the law.
Martyrdom is great. Being stripped of the churches property is not. They will move to protect that property. Just like most Christian churches will with they are forced to marry gays.
“’It will be more like huge fines, confiscation of property, withdrawal of federal and state funding, etc. etc’
“That isn't much different than a photo-op of a bishop going to prison.”
Actually, it's entirely different from a photo-op of a bishop going to prison. Because, IT'S NOT A PHOTO-OP.
A photo or a video of a bishop being dragged off in handcuffs is dramatic, stirs emotions, is graphic and visceral.
A verbal report that money was taken out of a diocese's bank account isn't.
The fact is that the Church has already seen its activities curtailed, loss of funding and eligibility to participate in adoptions, in caring for women caught in human trafficking, and in other areas.
Hispanic Catholics have shown no sign that they care about these anti-Catholic actions. Catholics generally don't seem too worked up.
The attack will be framed that the Church, with all its great wealth, already exposed as a bunch of morally-bankrupt pedophiles, is refusing to pay for the health care for its badly underpaid employees, and the government is merely forcing them to obey the law and pay their fair share for near-poverty level ordinary folks working for Catholic organizations.
Plenty of Catholics will buy in, especially when the regime produces advertisements of Hispanic janitors, maids and laborers whose young children would be covered by Obamacare if only the Church were willing to part with some small part of its wealth.
sitetest
“They won’t through them in jail, just attack the financial side of things.”
Yes, that's what I've been saying.
As to the rest of your post, you may very well be right. Especially when the bishops realize that few people will rally to the cause when the regime starts seizing assets. I don't sense that many bishops will do the right thing if it's also the lonely thing. That's hard for any of us.
sitetest
“I don't think this is false bravado at all.”
Certainly it is. No bishop is going to be put in jail by the regime for refusing to pay for Obamacare.
“’Federal Government Siezes Assets and Bank Accounts of Several Churches’”
If that's how the lamestream media frames it, you might have a point.
But I think the headline will be:
“Federal Government imposes fines on Catholic Church for failing to pay for healthcare for Underpaid Catholic Workers.”
sitetest
“when you can just take the diocese’s stuff with little or no effort?”
Well, you can and you can’t. You can take what they have NOW in assets but you can’t touch the Faithful behind the Bishops and any support that they may render after the fact. It’s the same lack of vision behind the observation that the Pope has no military Divisions.
The bishops have never understood that they need to pick a side. They want a lot of things that liberal Dems want like social spending and amnesty for illegals, but then when liberal Dems turn around and have federally mandated abortion, the bishops are shocked. They have never realized that when you get in bed with statists, you are buying into their entire immoral agenda. There is no such thing as moral Socialism. The sooner the bishops understand that, the better. But some never will. They will support the Dems’ expansion of the state and then whine when things like this happen but ultimately do nothing about it.
As I said, you’d rather tear down your allies than fight our common enemy - Obama.
Why exactly are you here?
I wasn't going to respond further to you, but the unintentional irony is your post is too good to pass up.
Obama, at least, knows what he is doing. Do you?
That is why a second American civil war is coming, mark my words.
Nice they say this AFTER the election, when they could have increased the pressure before it instead...
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