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To: D-fendr

We also see St. Paul correct, with authority, these congregations.


Yet the authority he had the congregation could except or reject.

In acts 4:32 it says
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

In rev the letter to the seven Churches make it plain that even at that early date it was no longer the case.

It is plain that Gods will has been done, in proclaiming the Gospel of his son Jesus, sometimes because of the Churches and sometimes inspite of the Churches.

In around ad 70 there were seven Churches each with different faults so obviously with different teachings, today there are hundreds of different teachings, but the Gospel of Jesus is seeping through.

Jesus gave his Apostles the authority to preach the Gospel and once it got started it could not be stopped because some little nobody out there some where will be preaching it.


52 posted on 01/25/2013 10:36:03 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
What did St. Paul give as his authority?

Jesus gave his Apostles the authority to preach the Gospel and once it got started it could not be stopped because some little nobody out there some where will be preaching it.

All of them the same Gospel? All of them with the same authority? Gnostics - then and today - as well? Benny Hinn? Peter Popoff? Who is to say they do not have the same authority?

History and experience show this to be a impractical and unsuccessful way to transmit the true Gospel. Which is why Jesus established His Church and gave her authority.

53 posted on 01/25/2013 12:27:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ravenwolf
In around ad 70 there were seven Churches each with different faults so obviously with different teachings,

Which is why St. Paul rebuked them. "One Lord, one faith, one baptism." We see this continuing with the disputes over heresies, the councils, the creeds and one holy universal and apostolic Church. Otherwise...

today there are hundreds of different teachings

Not with the authority of the One holy, universal and apostolic faith.

but the Gospel of Jesus is seeping through.

It is still there in the same Church, but elsewhere, if anything, it is still multiplying and being changed with more and the same heresies: gnosticism, Arianism, Modalism, etc..

Your position did not work, has not worked and is not working today. The Church of God was not established this way - to not work in accurately transmitting the One Faith. There is a reason Christ established His Church, entrusted to His apostles with authority to preserve it throughout history down to us today.

Thanks for your reply.

55 posted on 01/25/2013 1:25:49 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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