[narses]

ravenwolf wrote:

I am not trying any thing, what i wrote was just what Jesus said.

Nope, what you wrote (you, NOT Our Lord) was:

The verses below show that Jesus did not intend for the Apostles to start a hierarchy.

And of course what you posted said no such thing. You simply misread Holy Scripture.

[ravenwolf]

ravenwolf wrote:

Nope, what you wrote (you, NOT Our Lord) was:

The verses below show that Jesus did not intend for the Apostles to start a hierarchy.

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Like i said i was not trying anything, as you can see i did it, i simply wrote what appears to me common sense that the people who are saying that Jesus started a hierarchy is not backed up by his words.

The power the Apostles had came from the Holy spirit, they had no power to force any one to believe nor to do what they taught .

The Church they set up was based on faith, as you can see by Pauls writings to the churches, he was disturbed because they were in many things going against his teaching, and there was nothing he could do about it but to scold them.