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To: metmom; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; marron; stfassisi; CynicalBear; xzins; P-Marlowe
To be perfectly honest, I don’t recall reading ANYWHERE that the Catholic church holds to THAT definition of *free will* that you are holding to.

Do you believe people free choose to go to hell? For all those who don't believe that is what you're saying. They can either choose Christ or not. So, according to what you're stating, people choose to go to hell.

CB has a good point. What the point of ragging on people about it?

Perhaps you didn't get to my most excellent response-especially about the blood pressure.

618 posted on 02/01/2013 6:48:27 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Do you believe people free choose to go to hell? For all those who don't believe that is what you're saying. They can either choose Christ or not. So, according to what you're stating, people choose to go to hell.

I've seen you post that people can choose as well. So why when I say it, does it by default mean that I believe in the unrealistic definition of *free will* that you gleaned from a secular dictionary, but when you say it, it doesn't?

I don't believe that most people knowingly choose hell. What they choose is to reject God, which results in going to hell. I've said it before, they got what they wanted, an existence without God, but I'm sure it's not what they expected.

624 posted on 02/01/2013 7:40:20 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: HarleyD; metmom; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; marron; stfassisi; xzins; P-Marlowe
>>They can either choose Christ or not. So, according to what you're stating, people choose to go to hell.<<

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.” (Deuteronomy 30:19)

“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” (Joshua 24:15)

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17) [seems there’s an option there doesn’t it?]

Then there is Jesus parable.

Matthew 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. 5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. 9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. 10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Why weren’t some chosen? It was because they refused or refused to act in accordance. Would Calvinists claim that all who God calls are chosen per this parable or are there some who are called but don’t get in?

God gives choices right up until the end.

Revelation 9: 20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 22: 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

If man had no choice those passages would never make sense.

642 posted on 02/01/2013 9:38:45 AM PST by CynicalBear
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