[HarleyD]

Well, sit down stf, cause I’m with you guys on that, too, as much as I understand it.

Why is this not surprising? Arminianism is simply a shade of Roman Catholicism.

[CynicalBear]

To accuse of Arminianism because of one small point is rather disingenuous.

[metmom]

Why is this not surprising? Arminianism is simply a shade of Roman Catholicism.

So is it the position that God hated Esau based on foreknowledge the Arminian one and the position that God hated Esau based on some arbitrary criteria only beknowst to God the Calvinist one Calvinist?

Does Calvinism require that people believe that the reason God *hated* Esau can't be known or that it is part of a choice of God's that Esau was simply the target of?