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To: Dutchboy88

Do you not believe in double predestination?


508 posted on 01/28/2013 2:29:32 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"All that is fine and good but does not support hyper Calvinism.

Do you not believe in double predestination?"

Insofar as you have linked these two posts, but are not answering my questions directly (nor apologizing for saying what I think), I can only assume you are asking if I believe in hyper Calvinism, defined as belief in double predestination.

Well, the answer is...the Scriptures teach that God has fashioned, "...some for honor and some for destruction." Esau, Judas, et al. I believe what the Scriptures tell us. But, in Esau's case, it clearly was before he was born, before he did something good or evil, God simply decided because He wanted the choice to be His, not based upon a human perspective. If this is "double predestination" in your mind (although I find no such term in the Scriptures), then I suppose I hold it.

I don't, however, associate such a position with Calvin or any other reformed thinker, whether they believed it or not. That doesn't concern me. Thus, please do not call me a "hyper calvinist".

But, backhandedly, you have been presenting a "double predestination" as severe as mine. If your Category #3 is reserved for those humans not given the opportunity to be drawn (as you said), then you and I are in the same boat. You may call it Category #3, I simply call it those the Scriptures identifies as marked for destruction. But, we are both identifying folks who have no opportunity to be rescued.

511 posted on 01/28/2013 3:16:53 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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