Just how did Satan get into the garden. By taxi?
God ordaining and Adam's failed choice are Christian doctrines that have been handed down from the very beginning of the early church-probably even farther back than that. These aren't Reformed views. xzins is a Methodist minister. His post is smack on target with the Westminster confessional (even though he snuck in "free will"). And I think you'll find Catholics to embraces these same views.
Quite frankly, I've never run across anything like this on this board. And, trust me, I've seen a lot. I can't help it if you cannot understand this concept. I would suggest more reading and a willing heart to understand tenets of the faith handed down by the fathers.
Don’t suppose I rightly know and didn’t think it important but given he spends his time going to and fro he may have caught wind of God’s new creation and thought he’d see if they could be convinced to come over to his side?
Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
>>God ordaining and Adam's failed choice are Christian doctrines<<
Really! So Adam had no choice really because it had all been prearranged and Adam was “just along for the ride” is pretty much a universal church understanding as you see it?
>>Quite frankly, I've never run across anything like this on this board.<<
Are you sure it wasn’t that they just saw it as absurd and didn’t think it worthy of comment?
The Church fathers rejected double predestination with the exception of Saint Augustine , to which the Church rejected Augustine's idea's of double predestination.
I am glad to hear you promote the faith handed down from the fathers though because this promotes the Catholic/ Orthodox faith
Reading the *church fathers*? To understand the tenets of faith? For real?
My faith is in Jesus, not *correct* doctrine, the *faith*, or the writings of the *church fathers*.
I'm not interested in the *church fathers*. Not from the Catholics and not from you.
What's wrong with....
1 Corinthians 2:1-5 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. 2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, 4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.