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Pope: Everyone, Even Atheists, Want to See the Face of God
Asia News ^ | 1/16/13

Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow

General audience, Benedict XVI defines the Incarnation as "something unimaginable, the face of God can be seen, the process that began with Abraham is fulfilled." The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, he asks "for the great gift" to "proclaim together that Jesus is the Savior of the world."

Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "The desire to know the face of God is in every man, even the atheists," but this desire is only realized by following Christ, in whom, in the Incarnation, "something unimaginable took place, the journey that began with Abraham is fulfilled. He is the Son, the fullness of all Revelation; the mediator who shows us the face of God. "

And "to proclaim together that Jesus is the Saviour of the world" Benedict XVI asked for incessant prayers for "the great gift" of Christian unity in the forthcoming week, which begins on the 18th of this month.

Previously, in his catechesis, he again reflected on the meaning of Christmas, in a commentary on John's Gospel in which the apostle Philip asks Jesus to show them the Father. The answer of Jesus, "introduces us to the heart of the Church's Christological faith; For the Lord says: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9).This expression summarizes the novelty of the New Testament, the novelty that appeared in the cave of Bethlehem: God can be seen, he showed his face is visible in Jesus Christ".

The theme of "seeking the face of God" is present throughout the Old Testament, so much so that the Hebrew term "face", occurs no less than 400 times, 100 of which refer to God." The of Jewish religion which the religion forbids all images, "for God can not be depicted," and "can not be reduced to an object," tells us that "God...

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To: presently no screen name; Alamo-Girl

FWIW, I’ve been a member of Free Republic a long, long time. I was here at the founding of the religion forum and voted on the shape it would take.

As I pointed out, in the same way as one can determine more about a person’s politics by the nature of their position on Romney, so one can determine more about a person’s theology based on knowing their denomination.


1,081 posted on 02/05/2013 10:42:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I will always be that bakery shop kid – a Christian, plain and simple.

Exactly as it should be with no labels, no tags. It's not about us anyway, It's ALL about Jesus.

Great testimony of the Body of Christ and how it works/should work - where each one has their part (gift) to share - the owners of the bakery shop, your sister as leader, you/your friends, someone? behind the scene telling the pastor, the pastor doing what he was called to do and that leads to many more being involved and building a gather place which lead to many more being built. That is HIS BODY working together to do His Will. Each one had their necessary part to add. No one more important that the other in God's eyes.

LOVE IT! Thanks for sharing this. Need to add, even before the owners became owners - I bet they have some testimony and looking back they could see God's Hand in how that all came about. That's why it is so important to hear and obey Him so HIS WILL will do done! How many has He called that didn't answer the call or didn't obey the call to the end? Right now I'm focusing on where it began, in the bakery shop but I know it didn't begin there - it was just a continuation of what when on before that.

We, here, don't know the owners but they are our brother/sister in The Lord. God's one big family - our genealogy is in HIM and not a church or a label. Praise God!

1,082 posted on 02/05/2013 11:23:41 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: xzins; presently no screen name; Alamo-Girl; CynicalBear
As I pointed out, in the same way as one can determine more about a person’s politics by the nature of their position on Romney, so one can determine more about a person’s theology based on knowing their denomination.

A better analogy would be that the same way as one can determine more about a person’s politics by the nature of their position on Romney, so one can determine more about a person’s theology based on knowing their denomination position on Jesus Christ.

Your analogy would be more like claiming to know about a person's politics based on their political party affiliation.

1,083 posted on 02/05/2013 11:48:42 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: xzins
so one can determine more about a person’s theology based on knowing their denomination.

That would be mind reading that leads to assumptions that lead to accusations.

You take one liberal mormon bishop candidate vs. one marxist/muslim imposter candidate and you can determine more about a person’s theology based on knowing their denomination.? I can see now why you are in constant error.

Are there any mormon's or muslim's on this thread? Do Mormons and/or muslim's have denominations? You might be on the wrong thread with trying your hand with your 'chosen' approach to the things of God. First off, denominations are man's creation. And saying you were here a long time just shows an 'unteachable' spirit as your lack of knowledge is transparent.

God's Word is The Final Authority. Now, 'man', figure out what denomination that is to soothe your quest to play detective instead of seeking the will/ways of God.

1,084 posted on 02/05/2013 11:52:57 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl
That would be mind reading that leads to assumptions that lead to accusations.

Hardly. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

PNSN - Muslims and Mormons: Methinks someone's gone off the deep end.

I do think your post is, as Sonny Corleone would say, "Personal. You're taking this very personal." LOL.

1,085 posted on 02/05/2013 12:09:39 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: presently no screen name; xzins; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; HarleyD; metmom
That would be mind reading that leads to assumptions that lead to accusations.

Like you did in post 1074?

That was pretty vile stuff you posted.

I would request that the if the RM sees that post, that he/she leave it for posterity.

Don't bother apologizing. You've demonstrated your level of Christian Charity quite clearly on this thread. So any apology would obviously be contrived.

1,086 posted on 02/05/2013 12:10:07 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: metmom; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; wagglebee

Nope. Take for example, Alamo-girl. She said that she’s a Baptist, for the most part. And an SBC at that.

Because of that, I can surmise that she leans toward baptism by immersion.

Now, because she says that she is a follower of Jesus Christ, I can’t necessarily come to that conclusion.

So, knowing one’s denomination provides a bit of predictability one wouldn’t otherwise have.

I was called once upon a time to the bedside of a young paratrooper who’d taken a round in the spine during one of our wars, and was being prepared for surgery. I was told he was a Roman Catholic. We had no priest within flight distance of our location due to unfriendly fire between him and me.

However, based on the RC denomination, I was able to go prepared with some material and some prayers that I knew would be a comfort to him. We spoke and prayed before the surgery as much as he was able...he was very weak. He thanked me, mm...and then he squeezed my hand. It’s one of my cherished battlefield memories. Thank God, he survived. He was air-evac’ed right after the surgery.

We never crossed paths again, but years later, I lifted up this story and his name in a group of troops, and one of them knew him. He was disabled, but not immobilized. God brought us together that day. This old bapto-charis-methodist was able to minister.


1,087 posted on 02/05/2013 12:23:04 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Religion Moderator; presently no screen name; P-Marlowe; wagglebee; HarleyD
Now that is a comment that shows how pagan one can be. Your posts show no ability to understand the things of God. It has led to being the accuser, the questioner, the busybody. And most know where the roots of that comes from.

As the rules say, "NO personal attacks."

The entire post is despicable. "Presently PNSN" is doing similarly all over this thread.

1,088 posted on 02/05/2013 12:29:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; CynicalBear
I would request that the if the RM sees that post

I know, I already prophesied you would. I know the thin skin who don't welcome truth.

1,089 posted on 02/05/2013 12:32:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: xzins; metmom; CynicalBear; presently no screen name; boatbums; HarleyD; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; ...
If this is the way these people treat Catholics and Mormons, then I must say that I am embarrassed by their conduct. They claim that they have no doctrine, and yet they are so free to criticize the doctrines of other churches. They claim a moral superiority to Christians who worship in various denomnational churches which at least have some public document that expresses their beliefs and practices. All these people do is throw stones at other christians and accuse them of not believing in Scripture, but when you ask them what they mean, they treat you as if you are some kind of pagan retard who can't understand scripture.

As Alamo Girl and Betty Boop have pointed out, it is a near impossibility to understand some of the teachings of scripture but these clowns think they know it all and they go so far as to claim that their intepretation of scripture is not an interpretation at all, as if God himself came down and gave them 100% of the knowledge that he possesses.

One thing Paul made perfectly clear in scripture is that nobody will see perfectly clear until they are at home with Christ or Christ has returned in Glory. We see through a glass darkly, but these clowns claim they don't even have a glass in front of them. They claim 100% knowledge of everything that is right and that they are free from the bondages of doctrine.

I cannot believe the (expletive) I have read on this thread in the last few days from these clowns. But then I am a Protestant, I can only imagine the vile treatment these clowns give to our Catholic brothers and sisters and the Mormons and any other religion that they are not affiliated with.

I had left the thread, but post 1074 was my calling back. I am sick and tired of these holier than everyone non-denominational non-doctrinal know-it-alls lecturing everyone else on how they don't understand scripture because they don't think exactly like they do. If there are any Catholic lurkers left on this thread, I apologize if I have ever in any way acted towards you the way these clowns have acted towards the Protestants here.

I am an ex-Mormon, and I think I can say with assurance that if I had been challenged on my Mormon beliefs in the accusatory and arrogant manner in which these clowns apparently act towards Mormons and Catholics and everyone else they disagree with, then I would probably still be a Mormon or I would be an atheist. I sure as hell would not want to be associated with any religion practiced by these arrogant, condescending, obfuscating know-it-all jerks.

I'm done.

1,090 posted on 02/05/2013 12:33:15 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: presently no screen name; xzins; Religion Moderator
I know, I already prophesied you would. I know the thin skin who don't welcome truth.

I specifically asked the Religion Moderator to LEAVE THAT POST ALONE and not delete it. I want the world to see what kind of stuff you post here.

I do not take it personally, because it is directed not only to me but apparently to everyone who does not agree with you or who has the temerity to question your beliefs.

If YOU don't like it then you can request that it be removed. But you posted it and I want it left there for posterity.

So RM, please DO NOT DELETE POST 1074!

Thank you.

1,091 posted on 02/05/2013 12:39:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; CynicalBear; presently no screen name; boatbums; HarleyD; Alamo-Girl; ...

Quite an interesting diatribe in light of your post 1086.


1,092 posted on 02/05/2013 12:51:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Shame on you, Metmom. You know better.


1,093 posted on 02/05/2013 1:12:19 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
but these clowns think they know it all and they go so far as to claim that their intepretation of scripture is not an interpretation at all, as if God himself came down and gave them 100% of the knowledge that he possesses.

Wild ACCUSATION - not truth.

They claim that they have no doctrine, and yet they are so free to criticize the doctrines of other churches.

ACCUSATION - while projecting. Obviously, Hearing and obeying God's Word means 'no doctrine' to you.

All these people do is throw stones at other christians and accuse them of not believing in Scripture

Total Projection!

it is a near impossibility to understand some of the teachings of scripture

Is it IMPOSSIBLE to 'hear and obey' God's Word, too? Is it IMPOSSIBLE to do God's Will? Is it IMPOSSIBLE to believe GOD in all things? Thus, it's IMPOSSIBLE to believe HIS WORD is the Final Authority? Is it IMPOSSIBLE to renew the mind to the things of GOD?

I sure as hell would not want to be associated with any religion practiced by these arrogant, condescending, obfuscating know-it-all jerks.

Is this a ray of hope? Are you finally denouncing 'religions with all their denominations' as their claim to fame? When you were SO DILIGENT in seeking to KNOW 'the denomination' and INSISTING we were in one - with question and question, assumption after assumption, accusations of this one was in error and you must be like 'this one' who, also, is in error because it sounds the same as 'that one', i.e. KenCopeland.

I'm done.

Your CHOICE. Is it back to the circus for you? I ask because I see your fondness for clowns - you speak of them often for whatever reason.

1,094 posted on 02/05/2013 1:18:35 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom; presently no screen name; CynicalBear
Quite an interesting diatribe in light of your post 1086

All I can say is that you and your buddies here have a lot of gall going on the threads and criticizing the doctrines and teachings of Catholics and Mormons when you refuse to divulge you own peculiar doctrines or church affiliation.

Yeah it is easy to throw stones at Catholics and Mormons and every denomination on earth when you have no core beliefs or doctrines that you will either admit to or express.

Frankly I find it despicable. You guys claim that you don't interpret scripture and then condemn everyone who disagrees with you regarding your interpretation. Do you even realize who utterly disingenuous it is to criticize another person interpretation and deny that you have, yourself, engaged in your own personal interpretation?

The utter hypocrisy of you guys is breathtaking.

As an ex-Mormon with a heart for evangelizing Mormons and bringing them to the truth, I would implore you, metmom, to stay away from the Mormon threads until you yourself are willing to express your own doctrines, practices and fellowship. If you are not willing to admit to your own denominational doctrines, then you have no business criticizing the doctrines and practices of any group that is identified by name.

How's that for a diatribe?

1,095 posted on 02/05/2013 1:27:58 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; presently no screen name

Well, PM was disturbed about pnsn’s *vile* post and then proceeds to post *expletive*, *clowns*, and *arrogant, condescending, obfuscating know-it-all jerks* and you’re saying shame on me for observing the hypocrisy?


1,096 posted on 02/05/2013 1:28:17 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Religion Moderator; presently no screen name
To: presently no screen name But since you aren't familiar with God's Word, you assumed logic. Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal." Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal. 672 posted on Friday, February 1, 2013 11:08:52 PM by Religion Moderator [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 670 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

Pope: Everyone, Even Atheists, Want to See the Face of God Friday, February 1, 2013 11:46:24 PM · 676 of 1,094 presently no screen name to Religion Moderator Ah gee, it didn’t take long for ‘making it personal’. But then it is night time and I’m posting to one who is disagreeing with God’s Word. It’s OK - I’m done with ‘those kind’ and God is a personal God. Good night. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 672 | View Replies

Apparently, PNSN continues the error of his ways.

1,097 posted on 02/05/2013 1:32:34 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: metmom; xzins
Well, PM was disturbed about pnsn’s *vile* post and then proceeds to post *expletive*, *clowns*, and *arrogant, condescending, obfuscating know-it-all jerks* and you’re saying shame on me for observing the hypocrisy?

The expletive was potty language. If I had left it in, the post would have been pulled. The rest of my post was just my honest observations of the conduct of certain posters.

I stand by everything I said there.

1,098 posted on 02/05/2013 1:33:32 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: metmom; Religion Moderator; presently no screen name

I knew that pnsn had attacked Marlowe and that no good would come of it. That’s why I alerted the RM.

I was right. PM defended himself.

You should be ashamed of yourself because I suspect you know this is pnsn’s MO.

I’ll bet the RM knows it to because he’s been called on personal attacks at least once on this thread and at that time he said “Ah gee, it didn’t take long for ‘making it personal’.”

IOW, he’s been on the RM’s bad side before. In fact, it sounds like he’s very familiar with being warned about “making it personal”.

(if I keep referring to pnsn as a male, and pnsn is a female, then please forgive. I’ve never associated with pnsn before.)


1,099 posted on 02/05/2013 1:42:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

should have pinged you to 1099


1,100 posted on 02/05/2013 1:44:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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