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To: roamer_1
The book of Revelation says that the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven, and the Ark prefigures Mary. There’s a good short YouTube video about Mary as Scripturally prefigured in the O.T. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA

Please watch it: it's short, and helps you see that Biblically the Ark symbolizes Mary (and this saves me many paragraphs of typed explanation!)

The Ark carried objects, like bits of manna and the tables of the Law, associated with God's saving work in Exodus. And Mary who bore the Living Bread, the Lawgiver, the Savior Himself, the very Word of God in the flesh, was she LESS sacred than that? Of course she is more sacred than the Ark, because she carried the Lord. It is reasonable to think carefully about how the Ark, now in heaven, prefigures Mary in heaven.

Now, the Ark was plated with gold on account of its preciousness because of carrying things related to God.. Read in their Christological sense (which Christ Himself recommended, as in Luke 24) – Mary, the King’s chosen one, is also clothed in gold; and is also TAKEN UP to the King:

Psalm 45:9-17

Daughters of kings are among thy precious ones, A queen stands at thy right hand, In pure gold of Ophir.
All glory is the daughter of the king within, of gold-embroidered work is her clothing.
In divers colors she is brought up to the king,
Virgins -- after her -- her companions, Are brought to thee.
They are brought with joy and gladness, They come up into the palace of the king.
I make mention of thy name in all generations, therefore do peoples praise thee, to the age, and for ever!

This prophecy is not about some queen-consort of David or Solomon (because all generations have not praised them forever: we don't even know their names.) This prophecy is for Mary, who IS praised by all generations forever, as it says in the Gospel of Luke! It is she who, as in the Psalm, stands at His right hand, who was brought up into the palace of the King.

Likewise the Ark (prefiguring Mary) goes with the Lord to His resting-place:

Psalm 132:8
"Arise, O Lord, into thy resting place: thou and the ark, which thou hast sanctified"
The woman clothed with the sun [Revelation 12:1–2] parallels the woman of the Genesis 3 prophecy (and hence Mary): Genesis prophesies enmity between “The Woman” and the serpent; and that enmity is re-mirrored through Scripture (Judith vs Holofernes, Jael vs. Barak) and reflects the prophecy that God would place "enmities between thee [i.e. Satan] and the woman, and thy seed and her seed" --- clear through to Revelation, where Satan "was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed" (Rev. 12:17).

The rest of her seed: that’s us, All these passages – viz., John 14:3, Isaiah 60:13, Luke 1:28, Song of Songs 8:5, 1st Corinthians 15:21–26, Psalms 132:8, Psalms 45:9–17, Song of Songs 3:6, 4:8, 6:9, Genesis 3:15, and Revelation 12:1–2 – form a composite picture of Mary’s cooperation in the war against the Serpent, and her being taken up to be with her Lord.

You'll not find a Christian in the first millennium of Christianity, who objected to, or raised a doubt about the Dormition, which we in the West call the Assumption. There is no theological reason to do so, since what is posited of Mary is simply what we look forward to for all who are saved by Christ: that we will rise from our graves and be raised body and soul to heaven.

Since this what we all expect, thanks to Jesus' saving work --- (and we are rightly called sinners!) --- it's not reasonable to say it couldn't have happened prospectively, to Jesus' own Mother (who is rightly called Blessed and Full of Grace). Especially since it already happened to Enoch and Elijah, prospectively the fruit of Christ's merits even in OT times.

I can imagine the indignation of a millennium of Christians who went before us:

"Enoch walked with God, Elijah went deathless to heaven in a Chariot of Fire, but one far greater than Enoch and Elijah, the mother from whose flesh the Word was made Flesh, was left to rot in the ground? T'aint fittin," they'd say. "Just t'aint fittin'."

Bless you, roamer_1. From a roamer home in Rome :o)

83 posted on 01/13/2013 5:49:04 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Takes one to know one, and vice versa.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
*Sigh*... Before I even begin, let me specify that what I am about to embark upon could easily become a tirade - I do not mean to offend you. I have respect for your hubby, and thereby, you. I will try to bridle my tongue, but you will have to give me some room. Again, I mean YOU no disrespect:

the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven, and the Ark prefigures Mary.

Mary did not go before Israel in battle. It was not Mary who destroyed Israel's enemies with incredible power... Mary is not the Mercy Seat of YHWH. The blood of sinners is not cast upon Mary. Mary does not dwell in the Holy of Holies. These are attributes of Yeshua.

Likewise, Yeshua is the perfect container of the Law and the promises of YHWH. Every single thing mentioned wrt the Ark in your post, and in the vid you gave me, points inexorably to Yeshua, and to *no* other... And I consider the whole 'Ark prefigures Mary' thing to be utter blasphemy.

Mary, the King’s chosen one, is also clothed in gold; and is also TAKEN UP to the King:

Your reading of Ps49 is mislead. In it's context, it is the Return of the King, and the aftermath wherein He comes to claim His Bride. His BRIDE is the new Eve, not His mother... It is His BRIDE that is the queen. I do not understand why the Roman church promotes this incestuous dialog.

The woman clothed with the sun [Revelation 12:1–2] parallels the woman of the Genesis 3 prophecy (and hence Mary): [...] where Satan "was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed" (Rev. 12:17).

The rest of her seed: that’s us

First of all, the primary use of Rev 12's woman is as an astrological and astronomical symbol. It shows a particular TIME. If one does not understand that value, one will not find anything useful at all.

Secondly, but still primarily, the woman is Israel, as prefigured and linked to Joseph's dream. Mary figures in, to be sure, as the virgin... But she did not flee to the wilderness... Israel did. And her offspring have the testimony of Yeshua AND keep the commandments of YHWH. That ain't US. WE do not keep the commandments. I would assert, btw, that it isn't Judaism either, because they don't have the testimony of Yeshua... Ergo, those that are her offspring are a different subset that no one is looking at.

All these passages [...] form a composite picture of Mary’s cooperation in the war against the Serpent, and her being taken up to be with her Lord.

No... Again this conflation of Mary with the Daughter of Israel is a mistake of huge proportion, and one must begin from mariology to see these proofs which you offer, which is specifically bass-ackwards. One must begin with the scriptures and see if they point to Mary, which they most certainly do not. They point to the prophetic Daughter of Israel, and they point to the Bride of Yeshua (both likely being the very same thing by the time it is done).

You'll not find a Christian in the first millennium of Christianity, who objected to, or raised a doubt about the Dormition, which we in the West call the Assumption.

An argument from silence is no argument at all, especially when the historical record is so obviously inaccurate (to be kind)... All the more so when the keepers thereof have been caught red-handed inserting inclusions and sanctioning forgery. No, an appeal to church fathers will be wasted upon me entirely.

There is no theological reason to do so, since what is posited of Mary is simply what we look forward to for all who are saved by Christ: that we will rise from our graves and be raised body and soul to heaven.

Since this what we all expect, thanks to Jesus' saving work --- (and we are rightly called sinners!) --- it's not reasonable to say it couldn't have happened prospectively, to Jesus' own Mother (who is rightly called Blessed and Full of Grace). Especially since it already happened to Enoch and Elijah, prospectively the fruit of Christ's merits even in OT times.

What y'all have made of Mary did not happen to Elijah and to Enoch - To point to them without all of the titles of nobility and awesome powers supposedly granted to Mary makes them out to be no comparison at all.

And there IS a theological reason not to do so - Because the history of Elijah and Enoch are IN THE BOOK - Mary is not.

"Enoch walked with God, Elijah went deathless to heaven in a Chariot of Fire, but one far greater than Enoch and Elijah, the mother from whose flesh the Word was made Flesh, was left to rot in the ground? T'aint fittin," they'd say. "Just t'aint fittin'."

One far greater? Who has adjudged that to be so? Are we not all brothers? The One who is 'far greater is Yeshua. Keep your eyes upon Him. Give Him the glory that you find yourself wanting to give to any mortal sack-o-meat. That is where such things belong.

Bless you, roamer_1. From a roamer home in Rome :o)

Same back atcha! Say howdy to your old man for me too : )

97 posted on 01/14/2013 2:24:44 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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