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To: Syncro
We are the Church.

When Jesus said, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector," what did He mean?

353 posted on 01/07/2013 8:38:23 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
When Jesus said, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector," what did He mean?

Well, since Rome was at that time the tax collector and it's state religion was pagan, it seems we can rule that out.

354 posted on 01/07/2013 8:42:36 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Syncro
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church (ekklésia): but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

(ekklésia)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church

Take it to the congregation or assembly of believers that he has been meeting with. There is no inferred worldwide hierarchy there.

356 posted on 01/07/2013 8:49:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Well, that’s clearly says, “if you don’t listen to yourself, treat yourself like a pagan and a tax collector”.


357 posted on 01/07/2013 8:51:18 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Is the church the body of believers?


361 posted on 01/07/2013 9:06:29 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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