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To: captmar-vell

In your world view a human can choose eternal bliss or eternal agony.

You really think someone is going to choose eternal agony voluntarily? Really? What’s in it for them?


29 posted on 01/04/2013 11:03:42 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
You really think someone is going to choose eternal agony voluntarily?

You've got to be kidding. When a person is presented the truth of Christ and His sacrifice for us, are they not making a choice to accept or reject that truth? You don't get much more voluntary than that.

38 posted on 01/05/2013 5:13:51 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: DManA

My world view is that Christians are in this world but not of it,

Its not our choice but only to accept his grace, its his grace that saves us, God is sovereign and his ways are not our ways, don’t ask for justice or we’ll all perish,

Satan attempted to give Jesus a way out from the punitive measures of sin, from suffering and death to obtain the kingdom, but Jesus only quoted scripture until Satan fled,

I’ve always suspected this is why God brooded over the creation, knowing that many would always choose evil, but he knew you and me and everyone that was, is, and ever will be, and we were always supposed to be alive in the world, this is his omnipotence,

And because you asked, I’ll ramble on for a moment of what I believe about this world, because its the only way I can reference the necessity of events that must come to their full relating to the ultimate disposition of us all,

There are principalities and powers and rulers of darkness in high places for which we believers are in spiritual battle against, the war is raging whether all the participants are aware or not.

Why prophecy is so important is because the very one telling us the end from the beginning is also describing in very physical and direct terms the extreme punitive measures to be meted out as not only upon his people (Israel) who having rejected the provisions of the Law and Ordinances and being punished in the flesh (here and now) and were punished from 70 AD to 1967 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the diaspora, and further for which we have in this past month (December 2012) witnessed with our own eyes how this world system is attempting to undo that very restoration from the physical punitive measures God enacted in keeping his ordinances with Israel, and whereby he will use to complete the covenant which is tied to the land as much as to the people with whom it was made, and for the Earth and the final Jubilee restoration of all things under the law as recounted in Daniel Chapter 7 and Revelation Chapters 4 and 5.

The “court is sitting” when the judgement begins and Jesus is the kinsman of Adam, who having inserted himself into the holy framework of the Laws and Ordinances which he himself provided, alone is able to redeem this world away from a failed Adam, who gave it to Satan and its certain destruction,

And then to the believers being his Church, in the spirit with his Kingdom and with all power to bind and loose in the spirit, and not the flesh (Israel) on the Earth, who have the blessed hope of being found in the Lambs Book of Life written (before) the foundation of the world, for which the second death has no power,

We’re told in Revelation 9:6
“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

This I believe was written for those who expect and even desire this world to be all there is, then blissful nothingness, if there is a God then he must be good, but how then holy? And when they “shall see these things begin to come to pass” as prophesied. The destruction and judgement upon all flesh, much less the coming casting away of their immortal spirit out of Gods holy presence, coming precisely as Jesus said, then instead of looking up without knowledge they’ll be troubled but without understanding to find their way back because they’ve exchanged the truth for a lie, with their own supposed worldly enlightenment, having their consciousness seared with doctrines of demons seduced with their more pleasant versions of the truth and rejecting whats clearly written.

We all must come humbly to a saving knowledge of his truth, it’s always been the arrogance of the flesh, and in the flesh we all fail, and if we fail we all want oblivion. But there’s nothing we can do to measure up, we can only take the pardon granted to all of us freely for the asking, by the only one who died in our place so we wont have to face the second death,

“The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.” 2 Peter 2:9-10

“Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:14-15

“then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.” Luke 13:23-28


56 posted on 01/05/2013 3:43:17 PM PST by captmar-vell
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