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To: Alas Babylon!; narses

Go take your your beef to whomever translated the Book of Matthew from Hebrew to Greek. I think they are a more enlightened source than you two. And you know, they may have actually been there to hear the words come from Jesus’ mouth.


147 posted on 12/26/2012 6:20:14 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector
My dear Friend in Christ, it is not a beef. I am very happy about being precise with Jesus's--my Lord's--words.

I've very confident that Jesus spoke Aramaic to his disciples and not Greek.

Surely you agree?

I am someone who has lived many years in foreign countries, and I can assure you, the issue when translating the SPOKEN word from one language to another is never, ever precise.

The Germans, for example, have three genders for things: Things are either a he, a she or an it; while in English, we only use the it. So if I ask in German, “Eine Beir, bitte.” I've actually said, “A female object, beer, please.” Of course, we'd never say it that way in English, we'd simply say “A (neutral article-object) beer, please.” If I said in German EXACTLY how I'd say it in English, it would be "Ein (masculine) bier (a feminine thing), bitte." I would get funny looks and sometimes a sneer about stupid Americans who can't even order a beer correctly.

The same difference between Aramaic and Greek. Aramaic, like English, doesn't use genders like Greek. So a rock (Cephas) is a rock is a rock. There is no play on words with a gender twist as in Petros/Petra. It simply isn't possible in Aramaic. In fact, if there is a play on words, it actually strengthens the Catholic claim that Jesus said “You are Rock—and on THIS Rock; I will build my church.”

God bless!

149 posted on 12/26/2012 8:11:16 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: crusty old prospector

“Go take your your beef to whomever translated the Book of Matthew from Hebrew to Greek.”

The oldest manuscripts of Matthew are in Greek, not Hebrew.

What evidence do you possess that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew?


158 posted on 12/26/2012 9:10:19 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (q\\)
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