[Happy Rain]

Your anglophile sophistry doesn't fly brother.

Ireland suffered badly at the hands of the Brit Papists,the Cromwell Puritans and the Prod Limeys for a thousand years.

YOU read a little history—and if you want to debate all the “wonderful” things the popes supported, well that's another whole new encyclopedia of historical atrocities we can pursue.

This is an Irish thread so take your pathetic English paralogisms elsewhere.

[Happy Rain]

I meant English papists

[wideawake]

I am an American born and bred, but I am Irish enough by blood to qualify in three different ways for an Irish passport.

HR, this Irish nationalist nonsense is quite tired and is rooted in sloppy leftist thinking.

The leading lights of the Irish nationalist movement have consistently been left-wing Irish citizens of English extraction and Protestant religion.

Theobald Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett, Charles Parnell, Patrick Pearse, Thomas Osborne Davis, Robert Erskine Childers, the list goes on and on.

Irish nationalism is largely an English invention.

Ireland suffered badly

They seem OK now.

And they probably are doing well precisely because when the Irish were given a choice between being grown ups or embracing grievance/victimology/terrorism the vast majority of the Irish chose to be grown ups.

Which is why Dublin is Dublin, and not the Gaza Strip or Bosnia.

This is an Irish thread

Actually, it's an American thread - on an American website - that happens to be discussing Irish politics and society.

your pathetic English paralogisms

I see no logical flaws, let alone Englishness, in ZC's posts.