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1 posted on 12/19/2012 6:49:03 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
move expected to spark a major battle with the Roman Catholic church.

The Catholic Church will lose that battle just like they've lost it here in the US. The West is falling away from religion and becoming more secular.

2 posted on 12/19/2012 6:57:44 AM PST by Longbow1969
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The first step on the road to hell.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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Abortion will be legal until it is outlawed under Sharia.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 7:01:20 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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I have an extended family member who married into a family of Irish expats. After visits back to Ireland they always remark on how the whole moral and cultural atmosphere of the place has been going “straight down the loo” since they became part of the E.U.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 7:05:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Well, Ireland (once an RCC stalwart) becoming more socially secular will at least accelerate the apparently destined unification with Leftist Ulster—under British imperial rule of course.

Over ten centuries of genocide and dispossession at the hands of evil heretics will all be finally forgiven...

...just great.

7 posted on 12/19/2012 7:19:26 AM PST by Happy Rain (Which fires first? The gun or the 2nd Amendment haters?)
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Here is the truth about the Savita case. Pro abort advocates twisted what happened to suit their ends. This is a common Liberal tactic.

http://www.savitatruth.com/

Please note these 2 very important facts that contradict the claims of the pro abort crowd.

“3 | Existing Irish medical guidelines are clear that intervention may be necessary in cases like Dr. Savita’s.

Medical guidelines currently in place clearly state that intervention, including termination of pregnancy, may be proper in exceptional cases like Dr. Savita’s:

“In current obstetrical practice, rare complications can arise where therapeutic intervention (including termination of a pregnancy) is required at a stage when, due to extreme immaturity of the baby, there may be little or no hope of the baby surviving. In these exceptional circumstances, it may be necessary to intervene to terminate the pregnancy to protect the life of the mother, while making every effort to preserve the life of the baby.”

Source: Medical Council Guide for Registered Medical Practitioners, Section 21.4
4 | There is no evidence of an ethos among the doctors that treated Dr. Savita, or those anywhere in Ireland, that would have prevented her life from being saved.

Irish law and medical guidelines allow for life-saving treatment for the mother in cases like Dr. Savita’s, but Irish doctors in this case and generally also recognize this principle.

Dr. Sam Coulter-Smith, master of the Rotunda Hospital in Dublin said:

“I think most of us who work in obstetrics and gynaecology, there may be individual differences, but the majority would be of the view that if the health is such a risk that there is a risk of death and we are dealing with a foetus that is not viable, there is only one answer to that question, we bring the pregnancy to an end.”

There was also nothing against Catholic teaching to prevent saving Savita’s life. Though the news keeps referring to the treatment as a “termination” it was not a termination. The mother was already in labor, it had already been determined that the fetus had no chance of survival and she had a life threatening condition. Drugs to hasten labor at this point would not have gone against Catholic teaching that allows for treatment to save the life even if it results in the death of a fetus. The fetus was already dying. The doctor erred. Not the Church and not Irish law or medical ethics.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 7:33:38 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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Here is a discussion of a case very similar to Sativa’s

http://ldysinger.stjohnsem.edu/ThM_599d_Beg/11a_alt-per_hosp/00a_start.htm

The case is down the page a bit and is titled “TRANSFER of a PATIENT REQUESTING INDUCTION of LABOR at EIGHTEEN WEEK”

The big difference in the two cases is that the woman was pregnant with twins and only one of the twins had already descended into the cervix. This meant that the dying twin could not be delivered without the other twin being delivered which would cause that twin’s death. The request was refused and the patient was transferred. From the discussion,

“1) The twin that had descended into the cervix was dying, and no medical treatment could prevent this infant’s death.”

“3) It was not medically possible to deliver only the dying twin without also delivering the second twin, as well: thus inducing labor would necessarily result in the death of both twins.”

The pro abortion crowd do not care about facts they are determined that killing pre born babies is considered a right above all other rights. If they were honest they would press for the rights of parents to kill infants up to a certain age and with certain disabilities.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 7:47:43 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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That’s amazing. Until recently, divorce was illegal in Ireland.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 7:59:32 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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American Catholics have always sentimentalized Ireland to a ridiculous degree. Ever since the “flight of the wild geese” left Ireland without its indigenous upper classes Irish nationalism has been very left wing. Since Wolfe Tone there has been no traditional Catholic Irish nationalism except in American pubs.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 8:15:20 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: marshmallow

St. Patrick’s best efforts were for nought. The snakes are back in Ireland.

And they will have their vengeance with the blood of millions of innocents. And one day, who knows, given the already low regard for human life there demonstrated so effectively in “the troubles,” maybe Ireland someday gets its very own Newtown.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 11:02:59 AM PST by DPMD
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