Posted on 12/19/2012 6:48:59 AM PST by marshmallow
Ireland suffered badly at the hands of the Brit Papists,the Cromwell Puritans and the Prod Limeys for a thousand years.
YOU read a little history—and if you want to debate all the “wonderful” things the popes supported, well that's another whole new encyclopedia of historical atrocities we can pursue.
This is an Irish thread so take your pathetic English paralogisms elsewhere.
If so, why?
The first problem with the Catholic church and Catholics in general is they can't seem to identify who their adversaries are. Half of them are supporting and voting for the very people and party's that are undermining Catholicism in the West.
You've got the silly situation of Catholic leaders supporting leftist party's and politicians, and then wondering why Christians are losing the debate over abortion, gay marriage, etc.
A good first step would be for the Catholic church and the faithful to STOP supporting liberals, leftists, socialists, etc. It's as if they can't figure out that the left are secular socialists and will always do everything possible to undermine the Christian church.
HR, this Irish nationalist nonsense is quite tired and is rooted in sloppy leftist thinking.
The leading lights of the Irish nationalist movement have consistently been left-wing Irish citizens of English extraction and Protestant religion.
Theobald Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett, Charles Parnell, Patrick Pearse, Thomas Osborne Davis, Robert Erskine Childers, the list goes on and on.
Irish nationalism is largely an English invention.
Ireland suffered badly
They seem OK now.
And they probably are doing well precisely because when the Irish were given a choice between being grown ups or embracing grievance/victimology/terrorism the vast majority of the Irish chose to be grown ups.
Which is why Dublin is Dublin, and not the Gaza Strip or Bosnia.
This is an Irish thread
Actually, it's an American thread - on an American website - that happens to be discussing Irish politics and society.
your pathetic English paralogisms
I see no logical flaws, let alone Englishness, in ZC's posts.
St. Patrick’s best efforts were for nought. The snakes are back in Ireland.
And they will have their vengeance with the blood of millions of innocents. And one day, who knows, given the already low regard for human life there demonstrated so effectively in “the troubles,” maybe Ireland someday gets its very own Newtown.
...bet you were jumping with joy on January 30, 1972.
Wideawake is Catholic and a consistent defender of the Catholic Church on this forum. He also knows more about it than you do. And he can't be an Irish traitor because he's not an Irish citizen. Americans of Irish extraction are supposed to be Americans, not Irish (unless they are Irish citizens).
...bet you were jumping with joy on January 30, 1972.
Now that's just childish.
First step would be to recognize that a solid majority of the truly faithful (those who actually practice the faith) already don't support leftists etc. Furthermore, a large minority even of the not-particularly faithful don't support leftists etc.
So ... it would seem that we need to:
1) Persuade the minority of the truly faithful who do support leftists that their political voting patterns are completely out of step with the faith they profess and practice. Catholic social teaching is strongly anti-socialist (blither from leftist bishops to the contrary notwithstanding). Specifically, in American politics, being Catholic may not require voting for Republicans but it certainly seems to me to forbid voting for democRats.
2) Challenge those who profess to be Catholic, but don't practice the faith, to put up or shut up. If you're going to claim to be Catholic, act like it.
You claim to know more than you do as well.
Not buying it—my paternal grandmother was a refugee from Ulster/English fascism so peddle your limited knowledge elsewhere.
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