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To: RnMomof7
This explains the false doctrine that has entered Rome’s teachings

First, you have no objective standard by which to judge the truth or falsity of anyone's teachings. All you have is your personal interpretation of the Scriptures, which were given to you by means of the Church.

Second, the article hinges on the assumption that the Magisterium - the teaching authority of the Church - is a concept newly invented with John Henry Cardinal Newman, and that prior to his writings the Church believed that the only authentic teaching was based on patristic consensus.

This was not and has never been the case, as Paul himself clearly taught: the Church is "the pillar and ground of truth."

It is the Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that authenticates the canon and approves the doctrine of the Fathers and Doctors, not the reverse.

Webster is arguing that the pre-Newman Church was effectively "Protestantism plus the Fathers" - which is a nonstarter as a position.

8 posted on 12/17/2012 1:37:43 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
>>This was not and has never been the case, as Paul himself clearly taught: the Church is "the pillar and ground of truth."<<

But that is not the RCC. Just because the RCC tries to usurp the title does not make it so.

26 posted on 12/17/2012 2:24:16 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: wideawake
First, you have no objective standard by which to judge the truth or falsity of anyone's teachings. All you have is your personal interpretation of the Scriptures, which were given to you by means of the Church.

Ohh yes i do on theological matters..it is called the word of God

Just show me were I am misreading texts that actually SHOW the assumption, papal infallibility or prayer to saints..

,Second, the article hinges on the assumption that the Magisterium - the teaching authority of the Church - is a concept newly invented with John Henry Cardinal Newman, and that prior to his writings the Church believed that the only authentic teaching was based on patristic consensus.
This was not and has never been the case, as Paul himself clearly taught: the Church is "the pillar and ground of truth."

That is your personal interpretation..that scripture says noting about infallibility..infact we actually see error entering the new church from the beginning

A pillar is something that HOLDS up things..rhe church is to HOLD UP Christ and His word.. it is to teach the ground we stan on..CHRIST and Him crucified ..Rome has used that scripture to justify non biblical teaching ...that does not fly...In this letter, Paul is reassuring Timothy that he (paul_)is not essential ...

he also points out in Galc 2:9 that ther are some THAT"seemed to be pillars" but are false teachers..In this letter, Paul is reassuring Timothy that he (paul_)is not essential ...

He also points out in Galc 2:9 that ther are some THAT"seemed to be pillars" but are false teachers..

143 posted on 12/18/2012 8:44:17 AM PST by RnMomof7
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