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To: RnMomof7
"We also know....."

Actually, you surmise and accept, but you do not know.

I am under no misconception that you will accept as fact those historical anecdotes that agree with your agenda and reject those that do not because I am equally certain the truth is of secondary importance. Those seeking the truth will not be satisfied by what is posted here, there are ample sources to be had without the benefit of an anti-Catholic filter. Further, I do not post here to change your mind or heart, only the Holy Spirit can do that.. My purpose is to ensure that the truth is equally presented for the honestly curious so they know that there is a dispute.

Peace be to you.

165 posted on 12/18/2012 11:49:30 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law; metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums
Actually, you surmise and accept, but you do not know.

I know Catholics do not KNOW simple scriptural truths

I wrote

What we can see is that Paul never speaks of Peter in Rome..To whom does he refer the church ?
Rom 16:3 ¶ Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

This self evident to anyone that reads Romans

If indeed Peter was in Rome, Paul certainly would have greeted him and referred converts to him ...but this never happens

His salutation was a general one to the church at Rome

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom 16:1 ¶ I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: Rom 16:2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
Rom 16:3 ¶ Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
Rom 16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
Rom 16:6 Greet Mary, who bestowed much labour on us.
Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Rom 16:8 Greet Amplias my beloved in the Lord.
Rom 16:9 Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.
Rom 16:10 Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of Aristobulus' [household].
Rom 16:11 Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the [household] of Narcissus, which are in the Lord.
Rom 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.
Rom 16:13 Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine.
Rom 16:14 Salute Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes, and the brethren which are with them.

Rom 16:15 Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.
Rom 16:16 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Not one word to Peter

We also know that Peter was the apostle sent to the jews, not the gentiles

Gal. 2:7, "But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised."

We can see that Peter is the apostle to Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.

The Jews were allowed to return to Rome five years later, at the beginning of Emperor Nero’s reign in 54 AD. but they were now dispersed and did not return in great numbers right away

We also know that Paul said he would never build on anothers foundation..

Rom 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

177 posted on 12/18/2012 1:16:37 PM PST by RnMomof7
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