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To: CTrent1564
You will not find the Protestant doctrine of justification in the early Church in either of the Latin Fathers or the Greek Fathers, whose writings are foundational for the Greek Orthodox Church and their theology on justification is nothing similar to what you are any other Protestant here posits.

One would think that a religion which usurps the name of Christians would at least try to stay a little closer to the Christian Bible...

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Catholicism is rooted in the ancient Church as expressed by the Creeds and reflects the constant and consistent teaching of the Church Fathers and great theologians down tru the centuries.

I would posit that your teaching, creeds and great theologians weren't so great after all...We have the plain, clear words in the scripture that are right from the Source, bypassing the opinions of your great theologians...

And it's ludricrous to suggest anyone in your religion is better qualified to understand what God taught in the scriptures than average Christians sitting in pews of churches thruout the world...That's why so many millions of Catholics left your religion when they read the actual words of God in their own languages...

When your church fathers and great theologians disagree with the scripture I posted, they are not to be believed nor trusted with your soul...

And Joe Smith?, obviously he didn't take to the King James Bible like you suggest since he wrote his own to his liking...Kinda like a catechism...

17 posted on 12/16/2012 7:02:08 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

Iscool:

1) Catechism is a summary of Faith, it is an summary of Creed [Nicene and Apostles], Sacraments [All Seven], Moral Theology [a teaching on the 10 commandments in depth, i.e. Murder is not just the unjust killing of an innocent, Abortion and Euthansia are also connected here], and Prayer

2) You are still the Iscool I remember, you post Scriptures and never investigate what they mean, you post them as if they mean what you want them to mean, when there are countless down thru the centuries who don’t interpret them the ways that “You” do.

3) You are free to posit that the Creeds and Councils of the early Catholic Church [Both Latin/Roman and Eastern Orthodox] are not correct. That is not surprising. That is why Protestantism at the Theological level is nothing but Chaos and every Sola Meo Prostant for themself. THis does appeal to the modern man, in that Individualism, has been stressed to such a degree what folks that have that philosophy are attracted to the notion that “I Will Read the Bible” and “I will decide what is orthodox in Doctrine” apart from the continuity of the Faith down thru the centuries.

I will stay with the historic Catholic Faith, founded by Christ, then handed on to the Apostles who then handed it on to the 1st group of Apostolic Fathers, i.e. the Church Fathers who new some of the Apostles such as St. Polycarp, along with St. CLement of Rome, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Ireneaus of Lyon. All of these orthodox Fathers believed in the 3-Tier ministry of the Church, Bishop/Presbyter/Deacon, CLement and Ignatius expressed the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome, as did St. Irenaus [stating Rome, because of its founding by Peter and Paul has maintained orthodox doctrine and thus all the Churches should be in communion with it], all had a very stong sacramental theology [particularly St. Ignatius], and on, and on, and on.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 9:14:20 AM PST by CTrent1564
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