Posted on 12/10/2012 7:45:16 PM PST by ReformationFan
IMHO, Islam and liberalism aren’t the significant threat. It’s Satanism and the numbers of fallen angels closer to our daily lives is much greater than we or our forefathers have experienced.
Homosexuality is simply a very strong indicator in our situation, where those spiritual forces of darkness reside. It is significantly more evil than simply a volition to practice sexual immorality.
I was exposed to spiritual warfare this past weekend within a group of friends whom we’ve known for about 10-20 years. In the past over 70% were believers, though of different denominations. In the past 5 years, about 30% have passed away (believers), another 20% have drifted away to other interests. Our get-togethers now tend to be 30% believer and 20% gay(? unsure) (in the closet) and the remaining secular.
This year, the believers were attacked in private (criminally, individually) and later targeted for other grief by those who in the past had been friendly.
I really tend to believe it is spiritual warfare related more than personal desire related. It almost makes more sense to identify the homosexuals as being demon possessed and orchestrating influence, while those who were apostate are those succumbing to criminal temptations at the orchestration of the homosexuals. It’s bizarre behavior, but I’m perceiving it in numerous environments.
I’ve found that the thinking of the homosexual has already been scarred to the point of resisting consideration of their behavior as being condemned by God.
On the other hand, other behaviors associated with the same mindset, they might consider from God’s perspective if led to Him.
Also, those who condone homosexuality without considering what God has said about it, frequently don’t realize the other thought processes God has shown as associated with the reprobate mind.
For example, those who fornicate, might not consider their behavior harmful, but absolutely condemn a murderer for taking the life of another. When they discover such unrighteous behavior is grouped together by God in the same category, if gives cause to pause and contemplate why they are so grouped together and led back to faith in Christ.
Just to be clear....I do not condone homosexuality. In fact, I don’t buy that they are born that way. They choose it. Either from intent or imprint.
My worry is that the gays and the polygamists are now joining forces to get their agendas legalized.
I will never regard an “abomination” before God as normal.
Huh? I never said that you would. I never said that I would. What are you talking about? Please be more specific.
Just a general statement. Nothing personal.
Best....
For the handful of gay people I know, they are all decent, caring, generous people, and most have very conservative values socially and fiscally, and I know these people in large part because we belong to same church, organization, local political group, etc ... you’re entitle to your opinion ... I do not judge anyone for the sexual preference, but for their character and soul they reveal.
I have done nothing but point out what the bible calls sin and suggest it should be recoginzed at such. No individual judgments being offered, one should hate the sin but love the sinner, we are called to do so.
do you call people addicted to drugs, druggie? Do you call people that drink too much, boozer, drunks, etc? But you think its ok to gay people “homos”? I don’t find in the Bible where Christ mentions sexuality and in the few books that write about it, seem to do so in the context of lusting after the same sex; I think God never wanted us to lust after anyone; that sex is the highest expression of love for another, and not to be used for our own gratification.
I respect your position...genuinely .
It's an abbreviation for homosexual, which is what gay means. Duh. To object to the term is to object to the concept, which I find fascinating. And Christ certainly mentioned sexuality when he condemned "pornea" in both Matthew and Mark.
You’re disingenuous ....duh.... I don’t object to the term homosexual ... using homo is derogatory and I am sure you know that... most straight and gays see it that way.
As for “porneia”.... that has been translated to mean a broad sense of sexual immorality, covering any gratuitous sex. So again, where in the New Testament does Christ specifically condemn it?
We are all sinners... Most what you will find in the New Testament, stated a hundred times over, calls us to treat others with love and respect; to be kind, to not hurt others, etc.
Also from Matthew - Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
I am willing to bet that God will be more understanding of me, for treating all persons, gay or straight, with kindness and love, versus someone that spends their life trying to condemn all gay persons.
You’re disingenuous ....duh.... I don’t object to the term homosexual ... using homo is derogatory and I am sure you know that... most straight and gays see it that way.
As for “porneia”.... that has been translated to mean a broad sense of sexual immorality, covering any gratuitous sex. So again, where in the New Testament does Christ specifically condemn it?
We are all sinners... Most what you will find in the New Testament, stated a hundred times over, calls us to treat others with love and respect; to be kind, to not hurt others, etc.
Also from Matthew - Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’
I am willing to bet that God will be more understanding of me, for treating all persons, gay or straight, with kindness and love, versus someone that spends their life trying to condemn all gay persons.
Homo is only derogatory if one is ashamed to carry the tag. But in answer to your question, Christ condemns "pornea" (which includes gay sex) in Matt 15:19 and Mark 7:21. Finally, I try to treat everyone I meet with kindness and charity which is why I would warn them about engaging in a behavior which the Bible specifically says will keep them out of the Kingdom of Heaven. Failure to do this is to fail the "least of these" completely. I am not willing to let them go without a warning just in order enjoy the accolades of the world and to feel good about myself.
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