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First of all, Mary was not a pagan, but a Jew. She housed the child Jesus in her womb. He was free from sin and she was IN ADVANCE freed from sin when she was chosen to be the Mother of Jesus, God and man, two natures in one person.

Secondly, Catholics do not worship Mary. We ask her to pray for us.

Clearly you did not read nor comprehend my post.

I never stated that Miriam was a pagan !

Clearly she was a Jewess, chosen by YHvH
to provide the tabernacle for Himself in order
to create His Shekhinah( John 1:14).

However when an organization promulgates
such phrases as MOTHER OF GOD, QUEEN OF HEAVEN
or perpetual virginity, these are PAGAN constructs.

Please see Jer. 7:18; 44:17ff, 25 to see what
YHvH thinks of the phrase "queen of heaven"
A clear reading of Jeremiah will note that
it is a term of Paganism.

Miriam is dead as are all who have gone before us.
I'm sure she was saved when she accepted the opportunity
offered her during Hanukkah, to allow the Light of the World
to enter His Tabernacle. This would have produced Yah'shua's birth
on the Feast of Tabernacles (John 1:14).

Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)

I start by reading John 1:14 under the illumination of the Ru'ach HaKodesh.

John 1:14 And the WORD became flesh,
and [fn]dwelt among us,
and we saw His glory,
glory as of the only begotten from the Father,
full of grace and truth.

[fn](1:14) Or, tabernacled; i.e. lived temporarily

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell
The word for Tabernacle, mishkan, is a derivative of the
same root and is used in the sense of dwelling-place in the Bible

The verse also provides illumination as to
Yah'shua being the Shekhinah glory.

Shekhinah means the dwelling or settling, and denotes the dwelling
or settling of the divine presence of God, especially in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Here is a very visual source:
Jesus' date of birth

Just based on scripture.

Again the first clue to the birth of Yah'shua is John 1:14 as cited above.

Important events in the life of Yah'shua occurred
on YHvH commanded Feast days as metaphors of the feast.

Conceived as the light entering the temple (John 10:22 / John 8:12)
Born on the Feast of Tabernacles.(John 1:14)
Circumcised on the Feast of Simchat Torah ( Joy of the WORD)
Bread and wine of the Pesach.
Death as the Lamb of G-d on Hag Matzoh.
Rising on the Feast of First Fruits.
Sending the Ru'ach HaKodesh on the Feast of Shavuot(Pentecost).

Who knows if the final trump will occur on the Feast of Trumpets

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
109 posted on 12/10/2012 9:01:08 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"Miriam is dead as are all who have gone before us."

Mary is not an ordinary human being. The following excerpts from a widely published interview with Professor Salvatore Mancuso, the Head of the Dept. of Gynecology at the Univ. of Milan establish that physically, Mary was indeed part divine. Her body, like that of all mothers was colonized by embryonic stem cells of her fetus (Jesus).

"Moreover, it has been discovered that the embryo sends stem cells that, thanks to the mother's immune system tolerance, colonize the maternal medulla, and adhere to it. What is more, lymphocytes are born from here and remain with the woman for the rest of her life."

Mancuso continued: "From the fifth week there is clearly a passing of cells, but messages begin at conception. Even during the first phase of cellular subdivision, when the embryo is moving in the fallopian tubes, there are transmissions through contact with tissues touched by the moving embryo.

"Later, after implantation in the uterus, the dialogue is more intense through the blood and cells, and chemical substances enter the mother's bloodstream.

"Finally, the child's stem cells pass to the mother in great quantity, both at the moment of birth, whether spontaneous or Caesarean, as well as at the time of abortion, whether spontaneous or voluntary. These cells are implanted in the mother's medulla and produce lymphocytes, which have a common origin with the cells of the central nervous system; they have receptors for the neurotransmitters and can make messages pass that the maternal nervous system understands."

When asked how long the fetus' influence on the mother lasts, the professor answered: "Stem cells have been found in the mother even 30 years after the birth. It could be said, therefore, the pregnancy does not last the 40 canonical weeks, but the woman's entire life."

As the Church has long taught, Mary is who she is because Jesus is who He is. She is definitely not a rented womb.

Peace be with you

118 posted on 12/10/2012 12:12:33 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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