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To: xzins; Cronos; Mrs. Don-o; MacNaughton; afraidfortherepublic
I have no doubt that John Wesley, who was a friend of MP and British abolitionist William Wilburforce, was the major voice that turned Wilberforce against slavery. Wesley taught that liberty was God and a matter of natural law.

God bless them both. Methodists of old had a proud history to be grateful for.

In more contemporary times, the charity GoodWill Industries was founded out of a Methodist church and was enthusiastically supported by Methodist volunteers and donors throughout the last century. Although it also has moved out of the Methodist umbrella, it has remained a highly-rated charity.


the Methodist movement evolve[d] independent of the Anglican Church from Revolutionary War times until well past the war of 1812.... [W]ith the westward expansion, the establishment of small settlement churches [with] traveling, itinerant preachers -- all of that was a NECESSARY element to the expansion of Christianity westward in an American frontier culture. High Church Anglicanism simply would have been insufficient... The early years were simply harrowing for those itinerant Methodist preachers... too often a death sentence... brought on by illness, accident, or native attack.

We learned about those "circuit riders" in Sunday School, as well as of our first American bishop, Francis Asbury, who instituted the circuit-riding form of pastoring in America, and for whom many Methodist buildings and institutions were named.

Excerpted from Wikipedia:

Francis Asbury (1745 – 1816) was one of the first two bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church, now The United Methodist Church in the United States. As a young man in October 1771, English-born Francis Asbury traveled to America and, during his 45-year ministry in America, he devoted his life to ministry, traveling on horseback or by carriage thousands of miles to faithfully deliver sermons to those living on the frontier. Bishop Asbury's tireless leadership helped spread Methodism in America. He also launched several schools during his lifetime, although his own formal education was limited. His journal left a lasting legacy and is valuable to scholars for its account of frontier society, as well as giving insights into his life and ministry...

From Encyclopedia Brittanica online:

Asbury crossed the Alleghenies 60 times and traveled an average of 5,000 miles a year on horseback. The early growth of the church was largely the result of his strenuous efforts; when he arrived in America there were only three Methodist meetinghouses and about 300 communicants. By the time of his death there were 412 Methodist societies with a membership of 214,235.


Theological liberalism won over mainstream seminaries early in the 20th century...The people learned too late what was transpiring with their "leaders". By then these had infested their hierarchies, and their only recourse was to fight or leave....Methodism still struggles on, and we have our victories. The infestation in our slow-moving [church governing body]...is nearly impossible to dislodge. We have held the line until this era against homosexuality and have gradually moved toward a more acceptable position on life...[but] I fear that [the] battle [to affirm homosexual behaviors] is going to be lost in our denomination, and... every other denomination, even those with independent, local governance.

It wasn't just liberal theology behind the disintegration of scriptural theology. From the fascination by influential individuals within Methodism with the emerging doctrine of Communism in the beginning of the last century to the outright planned infiltration of mainstream churches by the Communist Party USA, Satan has been very busy.

It's a lot of reading; but for those who have the time or interest to bookmark these articles, they tell of the seduction or deliberate infiltration of Methodism and Catholicism by communist operatives:

Excerpts from The Congressional Record on Investigation of Communist Activities
Hearing Before The Committee on Un-American Activities
House of Representatives, 83rd Congress, July 7 and 8, and July 13 and 14, 1953

The Methodist Federation for Social Action, originally called the Methodist Federation for Social Service, was first organized by a group of Socialist, Marxist clergymen of the Methodist church headed by Dr. Harry F. Ward. Dr. Ward was the organizer, for almost a lifetime its secretary and actual leader. He at all times set its ideological and political pattern. Its objective was to transform the Methodist Church and Christianity into an instrument for the achievement of socialism. It was established in 1907, 12 years before the organization of the Communist Party in the United States in 1919.

The outbreak of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in November 1917 had a tremendous effect upon the Socialist ministers of this organization and especially upon Dr. Ward. When the Communist Party was organized in 1919, Dr. Ward was already a convinced Communist with a few insignificant minor reservations. By 1920 he was already, though not yet a member of the Communist Party, cooperating and collaborating with the Communist Party.

This collaboration of Dr. Ward with the Communist Party was reflected in the expressions and activities of the Methodist Federation for Social Action. The inner hard core of the Methodist Federation consisted, up to the time Jack R. McMichael, a member and leader of the Young Communist League, was elected its executive secretary, after Dr. Ward had relinquished his post, of a Communist cell headed by Ward, which functioned under the direction of the Communist Party.

Source: Collectivism in churches, Chapter 2: "COLLABORATORS WITH COMMUNISM" by Edgar C. Bundy


Bella Dodd -- From Communist to Catholic

How was it that a little Catholic girl -- born in Italy-- became one of the most powerful figures of the American Communist Party at the height of its power during the late 1930's and 1940's? The story of Maria Assunta Isabella Visono's journey from a poor southern Italian village to the intrigues of Soviet Communist penetration of America is fascinating and frightening. It should be better known than it is....
Because her organizational ability was so astute, Bella was put in charge of sending groups of young Communists into minority neighborhoods in New York -- Black, Puerto Rican, poor Irish, poor Jews and other recent immigrants -- to rev up the discontent of the disaffected and to enlist their support for Communist and left-wing candidates for local, state and national elections. The extent of Communist influenceat the local level in the city was astounding, with many elective posts filled by Marxists or their sympathizers. Even at the state level, Communists had great influence, Bella included, because of her work with the teachers unions. At the national level, they canvassed neighborhoods to get out the vote for FDR.


How Support for Abortion Became Kennedy Dogma

Even Ted Kennedy, who gets a 100% pro-choice rating from the abortion-rights group Naral, was at one time prolife. In fact, in 1971, a full year after New York had legalized abortion, the Massachusetts senator was still championing the rights of the unborn. In...1971, he wrote: "When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which...[would] fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception." But that all changed in the early '70s, when Democratic politicians first figured out that the powerful abortion lobby could fill their campaign coffers (and attract new liberal voters)....
At a meeting at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, Mass., ... in 1964, the Kennedy family and its advisers.... were coached by leading theologians and Catholic college professors on how to accept and promote abortion with a "clear conscience." [F]ormer Jesuit priest Albert Jonsen, emeritus professor of ethics at the University of Washington, recalls the meeting in his book The Birth of Bioethics...he joined with the Rev. Joseph Fuchs, a Catholic moral theologian; the Rev. Robert Drinan, then dean of Boston College Law School; and three academic theologians, the Revs. Giles Milhaven, Richard McCormick and Charles Curran, to enable the Kennedy family to redefine support for abortion...


Missions and Marxism

During the 1980’s, United Methodist Church missionaries toiled in Nicaragua, not planting churches or winning souls, but flaking for the Sandinista experiment with Central American Marxism.  Today, some of those missionaries have reemerged to agitate for Honduras’ ousted leftist President Manuel Zelaya... The Methodist missionaries in Nicaragua during the 1980’s worked for a pro-Sandinista relief group, CEPAD, which was also funded by the United Methodist General Board of Global Ministries.   Said one CEPAD official in 1984:  “We not only support the Sandinista government, but we are immersed in the revolution.” 

60 posted on 12/10/2012 1:21:54 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Government can't redistribute talent, willpower, or intelligence, except through dictatorship.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Wow. Here’s history everyone in the church should know and (gulp) learn from. Beware Communist Christians.


61 posted on 12/10/2012 1:50:12 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: Albion Wilde

Upon rising this AM, I find that North Carolina (Supreme Court?) has declared a “Choose Life” license plate to be “Unconstitutional”. How can a Choose Life message be unconstitutional anywhere? What have the Marxists wrought?

What if a driver applies for a Vanity plate that reads CHUZLIF. Would that also be declared Unconstitutional?

How can a country founded upon the idea that every person has the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness declare a vanity plate that says Choose Life to be Unconstitutional?


68 posted on 12/11/2012 5:35:11 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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