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To: metmom; Salvation; GeronL
The Bible does not ask Catholics or Christians to “worship” Mary, but to esteem her as the Mother Jesus Christ, true God and true man.

Book, chapter and verse, please. Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

The Greek word for "Hail" is used only twice in the Bible. The second time when the soldiers are mocking Christ during the crowning with thorns. It is a word reserved for royalty. I am certain that you are familiar with the phrase "Hail Cesar"

Luk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come unto me?

Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. He is the Lord, He is God. Even Elizabeth and her unborn son John recognize Mary as the Mother of God.

Luk 1:48 For he hath looked upon the low estate of his handmaid: For behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

I am certain that you understand that one someone is recognized as "blessed" and "Highly favored" by God, that they should be held in esteem

869 posted on 12/13/2012 7:27:38 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga; metmom; Salvation; GeronL
>> Book, chapter and verse, please. Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.<<

Jesus disagreed with the words spoken about Mary and said those who believed were the ones who were blessed.

Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

The Greek word charitoó is used by Catholics to try to point to Mary being “full of grace” or “highly favored. The word charitoo according to Greek concordances is: From charis; to grace, i.e. Indue with special honor -- make accepted, be highly favoured. [http://concordances.org/greek/5487.htm]

The word is used twice in the New Testament. Once in Luke 1 and the other in Ephesians 1.

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

873 posted on 12/13/2012 7:37:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: verga
Where does Scripture ask US to esteem her in that manner. The angel greeting her is not the Bible asking us to esteem her in any manner.

I am certain that you understand that one someone is recognized as "blessed" and "Highly favored" by God, that they should be held in esteem

James 2:1-11 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” 4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

No matter how it's rationalized, esteeming another person as Catholics do to Mary and then the saints, is yet another direct violation of a clear command of Scripture, that is to not show partiality to people.

874 posted on 12/13/2012 7:38:37 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: verga

Thank you, verga.


934 posted on 12/13/2012 10:06:23 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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