Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer
At least you agree you can disagree with the Pope in stating that.
Are you about to admit that Catholic dogma is that salvation depends upon accepting a particular belief about Mary?Certainly the deliberate lies told by so many PROTESTants about Mary and her nature cannot be seen as anything but sinful.
Do you also advocate all the means (including torture) used by the church (directly or indirectly) in the Inquisitions against theological dissenters?
“...Mary’s consent never entered into it...”
Mary had free will, just as we all do, just as Eve did. God created us with free will because he was not interested in robots. Mary is our second chance - Eve could have said no to Satan, Mary could have said no to God - Jesus’ conception was not a rape.
Mary’s freely chosen consent made the incarnation possible. That is the main reason why we Catholics love her - for not saying no!! Also loving Mary is not worshipping her, and it doesn’t take away from our love for her son - it adds depth. For example does loving our grandson somehow take away our love for his mother? Of course, not, it creates MORE love. Loving Jesus’ mother does not take away from our love for him, love is not finite, and Jesus’ wants us to love his mother. (John 19 25-27)
Of course. Infallible statements from popes are few and this is one of them.
I advocate methods of interrogation endorsed by the prosecutorial profession today, and torture is not one of them, — despite the attempts by my government to introduce it. The use of torture, moreover is forbidden by the Church.
So, that’s a “yes”?
A “new age” religion, to be sure...
“to view the entirety of Christian life through a dialectical lens – a lens of conflict and division.”
That’s how liberals view dissent. You are divisive if you don’t agree with them. Proestants don’t agree with catholics on many things and that’s why there are protestants. The catholic theology on mary is particularly odd. But they can believe what they want but there should get defensive about it.
We're not to venerate ANY human being.
Those who knew better immediately denounced the veneration.
Those who didn't were *eaten by worms and died* (Herod - Acts 12).
James 2:1-11 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” 4 have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called?
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
And how many hundreds of years does it take to do that? That kind of sin has been rampant in the RCC for over a thousand years. Too many people's lives have been damaged already and the RCC still seems to be doing nothing about it.
It's not the responsibility of the victims to correct the situation, but rather the church leadership, who has hitherto been turning a blind eye to it and enabling the perpetrators.
The Catholic church hierarchy needs to be the one to clean house of their own who are perpetrating those vile acts. Until that happens, it will not change, no matter how much the laity cries out against it.
The direction not to ordain priests with a "deep seated homosexual tendency" has been repeated (the ordinations prior to that were contrary to canon anyway) and today homosexuality actual or latent is a real bar toward ordination. The Holy Inquisition is here: there was a review done of the Catholic seminaries; the orders with incidents of abuse and under modernist influences have been suppressed; the church is returning to orthodoxy. I wish these processes were faster and more resolute, but progress has been unmistakable such as it is. That is because we are the real Church founded by Christ: always young and always reforming. We are doing just fine.
That kind of sin has been rampant in the RCC for over a thousand years.
You know that how? I don't know about your religion but mine abhors slander. The sex abuse epidemic peaked after quite unfortunate attempt to Protestantize the Church after the Second Vatican Council; the attempt failed and the abuse is largely gone by now.
The real culprit in this is the sexual liberation that started by the so-called reformation. It is Luther who desecrated the monasteries and fornicated with nuns. Don't like it -- get rid of the Protestant heresies that shaped the modern world in Satan's image.
Sin came in through Adam, not Mary. It wasn’t until Adam ate that they both knew sin.
The sin issue wasn’t Eve’s fault to be rectified by Mary.
The sin issue was Adam’s fault to be rectified by Jesus.
All the attention and false teaching about Mary takes attention off of Jesus where it rightly belongs.
Correction.....
Sin came in through Adam, not Eve. It wasn’t until Adam ate that they both knew sin.
The sin issue wasn’t Eve’s fault to be rectified by Mary.
The sin issue was Adam’s fault to be rectified by Jesus.
All the attention and false teaching about Mary takes attention off of Jesus where it rightly belongs.
And when did the RCC decide that?
The prime point made by Catholics is that Mary's consent was supremely pivotal and was the "first cause," the indispensable act of will that made everything else possible.
Mary consented because it was God who reveal His will as concerning her.
It appears that way. Let me know if you get an answer.
So beautifully said. I’m glad you are a Catholic too!
I love what my priest said yesterday speaking of how when God first created Adam and Eve it was day and sin brought the night. And, when God created Mary, she is the new dawn of the new day brought by Jesus, who ended the long night of death wrought by the disobedience of Adam and Eve.
This is a rather rough paraphrase of the sermon, but I think is the gist of what he was saying.
Big deal, so the church doesn't knowingly ordain homosexual priests. So what does it do when it finds out about them?
Oh yeah, once a priest, always a priest.
That is because we are the real Church founded by Christ: always young and always reforming.
Say WHAT?!?!?! I thought reformation was bad. How can it be being reformed? That'w what they kicked Luther out for wanting to do.
We are doing just fine.
Yeah, that's real obvious /heavy sarcasm
You know that how? I don't know about your religion but mine abhors slander. The sex abuse epidemic peaked after quite unfortunate attempt to Protestantize the Church after the Second Vatican Council; the attempt failed and the abuse is largely gone by now.
Here, posted by one of your own, one good Catholic who is speaking out against this atrocity.
St. Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrah: Homosexual Situation Graver than Damian's Time
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/929551/posts
The real culprit in this is the sexual liberation that started by the so-called reformation. It is Luther who desecrated the monasteries and fornicated with nuns. Don't like it -- get rid of the Protestant heresies that shaped the modern world in Satan's image.
Every evil of the world was started with the Protestant Revolution, eh??????
That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.
As long as Catholics live in denial about their past, they will never be in touch with the reality of the present either and therefore NOTHING will ever change.
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