Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer
You are thinking as a human thinks, and not as God thinks.
God saw that Jesus would die and that grace was given to Mary in advance — since he also saw that she would be the Mother of Jesus, true God and true man.
Please do read some of the Catholic apologetics, and try to understand it.
You are thinking as a human thinks, and not as God thinks.
God is outside of time — anything is possible with him.
Sorry, mm, but the Catholic Church is right. What are you going to tell Jesus when you meet him at the moment of your death? Are you going to tell him that you didn’t accept his mother as a holy person?
Mark 3:31-35
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
31 And his mother and his brothers came, and standing outside they sent to him and called him. 32 And a crowd was sitting around him, and they said to him, “Your mother and your brothers[a] are outside, seeking you.” 33 And he answered them, “Who are my mother and my brothers?” 34 And looking about at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.”
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So, what is needed for Salvation, to be 100% right on all doctrinal and dogmatic issues, or to have Faith?
Book, chapter and verse, please.
Where are you getting ideas about worshipping Mary?
Probably from watching people bowing to her statues, lighting candles to her, praying to her, just for starters.
I don't suppose many of the comments daniel has posted showing the the church hierarchy's deification of her helps the matter either.
Souls in hell are still alive, too.
We are prohibited contact with those who have died physical deaths.
And there’s simply not one iota of evidence that any of those souls in heaven can even hear us, much less have any power to answer prayer.
Jesus taught us to pray and never made mention ONCE of praying to ANYONE but the Father.
My religion, Christianity, says we pray to God through Jesus. Anything else is not Christian. Nothing in the Bible tells me to pray to someone else, appointed by a human after their death, who somehow gets access to Jesus for me.
Catholics assign more power to these Saints than they do to Jesus. How could anyone who reads the Bible think to pray to anyone except Jesus?
If God kept Mary from sinning before hand, then she never sinned and did not need a savior.
In which case, she lied when she called God her Savior. That blows the sinless thing.
It’s not too hard to figure out if you THINK it through.
Exactly
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
You're starting from a false premise, the very kind that atheists use to try to catch Christians.
God is outside time, true. But that does not logically lead to the conclusion that He can do anything.
Besides, God cannot do anything. He cannot change, He cannot lie, He cannot deny Himself, He cannot be unfaithful.
Which mother then?
Show me the word Catholic in the bible
The Catholic Church is not holy, do you mean you worship the church itself?
Neither. Having Jesus. Trusting Him.
You can believe that God exists and you do well, even the demons believe and tremble.
But it doesn't save them.
If someone is putting faith in their faith to save them, it's the wrong thing. The faith has to be in Jesus, not their ability to have faith.
ROTFLMAO!
I don’t really even care. I only came onto this thread after seeing all the protestant bashing
What with the RCC's history, calling it holy is ....um... a bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?
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