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To: stfassisi
The EO's have is they don't believe in original sin and they did not like the scholastic terminology

That is one aspect, while you have the stronger words of the Greek Orthodox site that i posted as well as the EO's, including those who warn against Ecumenism with Rome, bemoaning "There are Orthodox who fully consider the Roman Catholics our brothers and sisters in Christ. With this disregard for the importance of theology, practice is diminished, fasting is often not observed, and the rigor of the Christian life is rarely taught, and the list goes on and on." (www.orthodox.net/articles/against-ecumenism.html)

And their RC counterparts who argue "Eastern Orthodoxy: Never The Twain Should Meet,"

Few Catholics realize that Eastern Orthodoxy, especially as represented by Palamite theology, represents a systematic and comprehensive attack upon Catholic doctrine. Catholic and Orthodox theology are not only in opposition to one another in their understanding of God (theology), but also in the various disciplines of philosophy – in Cosmology, Psychology, Epistemology, Metaphysics, Theodicy, and Ethics. They posit radically different views of God, of man, and of the relationship between God and His creation.

Finally, and very crucially, they embrace radically different views of the final destiny of man. In this respect they both employ the concept of "deification", but possess very different understandings of what this term signifies... (www.waragainstbeing.com/partiii)

And then there is the SSPX and SVs, etc.. Under sola ecclesia there are also divisions, formal and informal.


301 posted on 12/07/2012 8:29:16 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; Kolokotronis; Cronos
The fact of the matter is that the Eastern Orthodox are closer to union with the Latin Church than ever before because of thier love for Pope Beneidict XVI

One of my dear friends ,Kolokotronis(He is EO)who does not post here much thinks highly of Benedict XVI and his approach towards mending our differences.

Why you like to try and "stir the pot" on an issues like this is beyond me. I don't believe you understand the effort being made and progress between the EO's and Latins.

You should to stick with your issues regarding protestantism since they are not anything close to the Eastern Orthodox and Latin Church in unity

From Article http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=38394&page=2

A draft document was drawn up for the commission's session last year, and the commission started to consider it but did not finish this process, as the Orthodox had a lot of objections to this text. We expect that the discussion in Vienna on the text of this document will also be quite intensive...Our delegation's goal is to make sure that this document reflects the Orthodox position and rules out any ambiguities, compromises and wrong interpretations of the patristic views on the bishop of Rome's ministering," the priest said.

While it is difficult to reach a consensus on this issue, "this theme should be discussed," because "this is what separates the Catholics and the Orthodox above all," he said. "It needs to be said that the Catholics did not agree to discuss this issue with the Orthodox [Church] for a long time, knowing how radical differences in its interpretation are. The fact that the late Pope John Paul II and then Pope Benedict XVI agreed that this issue be discussed by the commission is quite a benevolent step on the part of the Catholics toward the Orthodox [Church]," he said.

What is going on?  I suggest it is a movement of the Holy Spirit. It is not the Lord's plan that His Body be divided. Pope Benedict is the "Pope of Christian Unity". In his first Papal message he proclaimed, "Nourished and sustained by the Eucharist, Catholics cannot but feel encouraged to strive for the full unity for which Christ expressed so ardent a hope in the Upper Room. The Successor of Peter knows that he must make himself especially responsible for his Divine Master's supreme aspiration. Indeed, he is entrusted with the task of strengthening his brethren (cf. Lk 22: 32). With full awareness, therefore, at the beginning of his ministry in the Church of Rome which Peter bathed in his blood, Peter's current Successor takes on as his primary task the duty to work tirelessly to rebuild the full and visible unity of all Christ's followers. This is his ambition, his impelling duty."

He has placed the commitment to the full communion of the Church at the forefront of his Papacy. This is especially evident in his love, respect and repeated overtures toward our Orthodox brethren, whom we recognize as a full Church and whose priesthood and Sacraments we also recognize. I have written extensively of the warming of relations between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church. His request for prayer Wednesday reveals the heart of a shepherd who understands the Divine Heart of the Good Shepherd. It also demonstrates the kind of humility and holiness which will unleash the power of the Holy Spirit. 

There has been a growing collaboration between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches in efforts to slow the collapse of Christian influence in European culture. There have been other signs of the Spirit at work in pulling these ...

A draft document was drawn up for the commission's session last year, and the commission started to consider it but did not finish this process, as the Orthodox had a lot of objections to this text. We expect that the discussion in Vienna on the text of this document will also be quite intensive...Our delegation's goal is to make sure that this document reflects the Orthodox position and rules out any ambiguities, compromises and wrong interpretations of the patristic views on the bishop of Rome's ministering," the priest said.

While it is difficult to reach a consensus on this issue, "this theme should be discussed," because "this is what separates the Catholics and the Orthodox above all," he said. "It needs to be said that the Catholics did not agree to discuss this issue with the Orthodox [Church] for a long time, knowing how radical differences in its interpretation are. The fact that the late Pope John Paul II and then Pope Benedict XVI agreed that this issue be discussed by the commission is quite a benevolent step on the part of the Catholics toward the Orthodox [Church]," he said.

What is going on?  I suggest it is a movement of the Holy Spirit. It is not the Lord's plan that His Body be divided. Pope Benedict is the "Pope of Christian Unity". In his first Papal message he proclaimed, "Nourished and sustained by the Eucharist, Catholics cannot but feel encouraged to strive for the full unity for which Christ expressed so ardent a hope in the Upper Room. The Successor of Peter knows that he must make himself especially responsible for his Divine Master's supreme aspiration. Indeed, he is entrusted with the task of strengthening his brethren (cf. Lk 22: 32). With full awareness, therefore, at the beginning of his ministry in the Church of Rome which Peter bathed in his blood, Peter's current Successor takes on as his primary task the duty to work tirelessly to rebuild the full and visible unity of all Christ's followers. This is his ambition, his impelling duty."

He has placed the commitment to the full communion of the Church at the forefront of his Papacy. This is especially evident in his love, respect and repeated overtures toward our Orthodox brethren, whom we recognize as a full Church and whose priesthood and Sacraments we also recognize. I have written extensively of the warming of relations between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church. His request for prayer Wednesday reveals the heart of a shepherd who understands the Divine Heart of the Good Shepherd. It also demonstrates the kind of humility and holiness which will unleash the power of the Holy Spirit. 

There has been a growing collaboration between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches in efforts to slow the collapse of Christian influence in European culture. There have been other signs of the Spirit at work in pulling these ...

302 posted on 12/07/2012 10:03:30 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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